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The 2013 LE with Power Steering has a beefed up transmission as well. That word from the dealer with I asked about putting an engine brake on a 2013 standard 50". The dealer called the factory and was told - not a good ideal to put engine brake on the standard transmission as it is not beefed up to handle it.

Now more confused?
you got lied too same trany in all with some fixes along the way but no hd trans....
 
Discussion starter · #26 ·
So what would it take to get full ebs on my jagged x?
Simply add the one way bearing. It already has the EBS secondary.

I doubt you want that much EBS but you might and that bearing has a shorter lifespan

Todd
I don't like how it cuts out at low speeds I don't like going down a steep hill and blip the throttle to keep the engine braking going.
 
Discussion starter · #33 ·
So what would it take to get full ebs on my jagged x?
Simply add the one way bearing. It already has the EBS secondary.

I doubt you want that much EBS but you might and that bearing has a shorter lifespan

Todd
I don't like how it cuts out at low speeds I don't like going down a steep hill and blip the throttle to keep the engine braking going.
Then you could install the one way bearing
 
Todd, I spoke with you on the phne this AM regarding the Polaris EBS and possible ways to modify it. With the info you provided and the limied amount I was able to retain I purchased the Blue 2013 LE, EBS. Thank's I hope.

My first question of possibly many to come is what factory clutch system do I have on the Blue RZR . I'm OK with the Primary as you said it will have the one way bearing, what about the secondary, which on/typee is it?

Second, If I change from the Full to the regular EBS two way bearing system, then what systen will I have, or call it. What happens with the secondary as explained in "EBS explained"? Will I have a EBS secondary?

Can you Splain all this to me again? I talked with a Service Mgr. and he didn't think I could just change to a two way bearing and be the same as a non Full EBS RZR?

Thank's,
Pat
 
Discussion starter · #35 ·
Dealers typically don't know squat.

That model has the EBS secondary, the roller secondary or the HD secondary what ever you want to call it. So you have the good one that will give some braking, the one way bearing added to the mix just gives it even more and longer lasting braking.

The EBS secondary gives low speed braking by having a EBS notch in the removable helix on the back side of it, it keeps the belt engaged longer than the rapid reaction secondary does. Then once RPM drops to the point even the EBS secondary can't keep the primary engaged on the belt then the one way bearing you have provides the braking and it can only do the braking when RPM is so low the primary has spread apart and the belt is riding on the bearing. Hence the reason why switching to the two way bearing only loses the lowest of low braking

You can swap a one way for a two way if you want, he only knows one way, polaris's way and has no clue. Guarantee you he can't tell you what model has what.

You did right thing!!!

Todd
 
Discussion starter · #37 ·
Todd, thank's and it clears that up nicely.

Now then, what secondary setup is in the 2013 and 2014 RZR w/o Full EBS? Are they also an EBS secondary?

Interesting.
Thank's,
Pat
I have no idea what the 2014 has but if Polaris does not say it has EBS on it it does NOT have the EBS secondary. This only applies to the 800's

The ones that do NOT have EBS listed have the rapid reaction secondary and no low speed braking.

The 570 and 900 XP both have EBS secondary but with a two way bearing in them. Wait, not so sure about the 570 on the bearing, actually I am not so sure about the 570 secondary but the 900 for sure has the EBS secondary and a two way bearing all years

Todd
 
Todd, if I change my Primary one way bearing to the two way bearing will the belt still work? Is the same belt used on both EBS and non EBS Primaries with the EBS secondary?

I tried to sign the Guest book today on your site but kept getting an error. ???. I'll try again latter.

Your videos on clutching tied it all together.

Pat
 
Discussion starter · #39 ·
Todd, if I change my Primary one way bearing to the two way bearing will the belt still work? Is the same belt used on both EBS and non EBS Primaries with the EBS secondary?

I tried to sign the Guest book today on your site but kept getting an error. ???. I'll try again latter.

Your videos on clutching tied it all together.

Pat
Yes same belt
 
I have a question? I've been thinking about going to the reduced EBS Helix. I understand the engine brake is based using the clutch & engine RPM's to slow the vehicle. But when I add the reduced EBS Helix the engine RPM's should drop as it wants to free wheel more? Will I have an acceleration lag or some sort of snap/jerking in the clutch when I get back on the throttle? I assume there would be as I have to get the engines RPM back up to match the clutch? Am I thinking correctly?
 
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