I'm a Ford guy, and have an '11 F250 with 6.7. Prior to this I had an '08 Dodge with the 6.7. I deleted and tuned the Dodge and was happy with it. Not a fan of how the I6 sounded deleted (just my opinion). The only "bad" thing I didn't like about the Dodge was at highway speeds it didn't want to downshift to pass. I imagine that's because of the redline of the I6. With that sid, when I got the Ford, I think it would have outran the tuned dodge in stock form. At least it felt like it from the seat. I agree with what you said, it had terrible seats. My ford is now deleted and is a beast., but that won't be in your future. I feel that between the two I had, the Ford has more torque and hp, rides smoother, and pulls my TH easier. The Dodge's power feels smoother, but I like the way the Ford will rock me back in the seat when the turbo spools. And speaking of that, there is VERY little turbo lag, unlike previous generations.

 

Big difference between 08 dodge and newer. If I went ford the years you are looking at are good. If I went ram I'd want 13 or newer. Never had a Ford but an 06 11 and 15 ram. Current is ram 15' 3500. It's super improved. If your a die hard ford man. Go for it. I think all 3 big trucks u will love.. look for low miles and a good deal.

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Ram 2013 and up r far better imo than earlier models. Lots of changes made then between the 800ft lbs torque and the interior was significantly upgraded. The cummins is a true medium duty engine with massive internals.

That being said, ford is an awesome truck too. I ordered my 2014 ram 3500 but if I was looking at a newer used unit between the two, I would look at them both and choose whichever I could get the better deal on. Both great trucks


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Get a Chevy Duramax and be done!!

 

Agree, don't rule out the Duramax!

 

I have 2013 Ram 2500 with the Cummins. I tow a 43' toy hauler that's about 19K pounds loaded. The truck is great. Towing is fantastic, can pull the trailer up any grade at the speed limit and the exhaust brake is excellent. Have about 60K miles on it with only one major problem when a water pump went and threw the belt. All covered under warranty but left me stranded. Other then that a lot of small recalls, like 8-10.

 

My one question on the dodge is about the back seat in the crew cab, does the middle seat have that transmission tunnel poking into it in all trim levels? The one we rented was a tradesman(base) trim, but the transmission tunnel is a deal breaker 100%.

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Mine is a 2014 Mega Cab and it's a daily driver. I get 19.6 Mpg. It definitely does not have the transmission tunnel on the floorboard in the back row. I don't think the crew cabs have it either.

Keep in mind that for all the fuel savings I get, you are now in the land of DEF. Factory that cost into fuel efficiency.

 

I am going to go check out the chevys tommorow. I had heard they were having engine problems which is why I had ruled them out, but I will do some more reaserch today and go drive one tommorow.

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Really depends on what you want and what your priorities are. If you are someone who changes trucks often like alot of folks these days, or if you tend to keep them near to stock then buy a duramax or ford. If you want long term reliability and/or cheaper repair costs then buy a dodge.
A newer duramax takes 8+ hrs to change injectors, and you wouldn't want to do it yourself. Takes over 20 hrs to do the head gaskets right.
A newer cummins takes a average garage mechanic 3 hrs to change injectors, and they are cheaper. Less than a day to do the head gasket. And the Dodges have the best two transmission options, the manual and the Aisin.
Duramax ride much better and have really nice interiors, plus with deleting and efi live tune they are over 500hp at the wheels.

 

Well, the older duramax engines required taking the valve covers off to change injectors, newer ones are easier.

Allison is a great transmission too.

Honestly, all three will do the job very well, base it on which one you like better, interior wise or looks wise, or importantly whichever one you can find the best deal on.


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Diesel is the only way to go. The Ford is the most advanced option out there. The best torque with towing fuel economy for sure. Just did a 1000 mile trip to Tennessee, got 15.7 mpg towing a 23' enclosed trailer. 2 tanks of fuel.

 

Drive them all and pick whichever you like best. They are all good.


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I just picked up a 2012 F-250 CCLB. Probably the most comfortable seats I have ever had in a vehicle. Gas mileage is great but have not towed a heavy trailer yet, only my day trip trailer with RZR. With that said I am very happy with it so far.

 

I would think 40k could get you a very nice 6.7 Super Duty. Big three all make killer diesels packages. I have a 6.7 SD and love it.

 

We work on all 3 they all have there down falls...., I personally prefer the ford 6.7 I personally drive a 12, deleted day one and has a non-vgt turbo,11-14's have a poor bearing design and fail quite often.other than the turbo just maintain it, keep clean fuel in it and drive it


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If you have the coin the GMC Sierra Denali 2500 or 3500 can't be beat. I have a short bed 3500hd that is so quiet in the cab and smooth to ride in in might ruin u if you don't buy it. Imo there is nothing better.. If there was I would own it. This is my company work truck so it's not on my dime.. I just pick the best truck.

 

X2, The GMC Sierra, Duramax/Allison is a superior package IMO.

 

Yea defiantly check out a duramax. Can't beat the Allison trans. What I like about the duramax better than the ford
diesel is how many different motors has ford had in there trucks over the years? Only really good one is the 7.3. The 6.0 and 6.4 both had loads of problems. The 6.7 even has it problems. Now the duramax yes first year had injector problems but usually well over the 100000 mile mark before had problems out them. The 04 duramax had some head gasket problems and slight over heating problem that was easily fixed with new intake mouth piece. Chevy just kept improving the same motor and has done a really good job at it.

 

Here's my 2 cents. I bought a 2016 F250 SD, 6.7, 440 HP. 860 F LB'S torque. Exhaust brake, tow package, Larriat. Love my truck. Comfy, plenty of power, super quiet, fair mileage (17.5 empty hwy hills, 10mpg loaded with toy hauler). The only thing I added was air bags to take the slight squat out while towing.

 

what size toy hauler are you pulling??
I'm looking to replace my 2002 7.3 f350

 

Love my 2012 6.7 Powerstroke! It is amazing power wise and super comfortable! Pulls the Utah mountains with the 42' 5th wheel toy hauler fully loaded 21k with no problems.

 

If it helps any, there is or was a pole on here about tow vehicles. I think it was Ford by quite a few then GMC, Dodge down aways. I had a 1998 Dodge with v-10. Engine and tranny was pretty good, but the rest of the truck was not so good.

 

Everyone's going to be somewhat biased in this area.

I've owned all 3 in various years. I'm canadian and grew up and worked on a farm we've owned ford's in every engine from the 7.3s to the 6.7. And we worked them every day in conditions most people wouldn't put their vehicles through.

I will echo what many have said about the Ford engines. Apart from the 7.3 which is the only diesel ford we have running with I think around 600k on the clock with nothing changed but a glow plug solenoid and steering suspension work. It's a dog of a motor but still going. The other two engines being the 6.0 and 6.4 were the biggest pieces of shit ever conceived in my humble opinion. The 6.0 had the infamous intercooler fail among other things bit it had good power. The 6.4 took out about 3 turbos and smoked like a freight train white since about 70k on the clock. Several injectors later everyone was scratching their heads. The 6.7 2012 had a persistent tranny issue. When it was cooler out the thing would not go Into reverse. Or hesitate before going into gear. But otherwise rode nice and looked good. Got rid of all 3 of those minus the 7.3 1 ton. Really soured us on ford diesels and will for a while.

Bought a used 12v 5.9 cummins as a fill gap. Ugliest truck on the planet but that thing was a tank.

Bought an 09 duramax before I left the farm for school and I liked it. Strong engine strong tranny hated the front end even though it handled well. I had issues with ball joints. But that drive train I wouldn't be afraid of. Lots of power in a lighter truck.

Now I'm onto a 6.7 cummins 2014 2500. I really like it. The cummins is a torque beast but it doesn't like to Rev. The duramax felt "faster" but I think this truck pulls better if that makes any sense. The ride on this 2500 is hands down way better than any diesel I've had and that's funny because I've always been told that solid axles will always ride worse but the 09 duramax was not impressive in the ride department at all. And if you're planning to do a level or lift that tortion bar front end is the last thing I'd ever deal with again.

I've had zero issues with the ram thus far but it only has 50k on the clock. Pulls well and will serve as a better platform for what I want to do to it. Which is a carli 3" and 37s.

Def use is minimal and the interior is superior to the other two Imo. I have a co-worker who's been die hard gm for years just traded a 14 drw 3500 gmc for a 2015 drw 3500 cummins and he loves it. He doesn't hotrod around as he's an older guy. He traded because his gm was getting 10mpg empty. I have pic texts from him to prove it. For whatever reason it sucked back the go juice which is weird to me cuz the 09 I had was good on fuel.

Anyways sorry about the ramble and good luck with your decision. It's not an easy one.

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Beware the ceramic bearings in the turbos on the 11 and 12 powerstrokes. They turn to dust around 100k miles.

 

42' Ragen Toy Hauler! Pulls great with my 2012 6.7 Powerstroke. Loaded with the XP41K and all the gear and still gets 12 mpg loaded.

 

Since I hate an unfinished thread, let me go ahead and post what we decided.

First we priced out and looked at all the used trucks I could find within 500mi of my house. We looked at the Chevy, Dodge, and Ford offerings(Diesel ONLY).

A few notes on each brand:

Chevy: Kind of underwhelming, they have most everything you would expect, but for the price they want the quality seems lacking. Also, that low-hanging DEF tank would be a show stopper for me, I do off-roading in the truck occasionally.

Dodge: I cant say ANYTHING bad about the Cummins 6.7, It is a nice motor. The interior of the truck is not bad, it looks nice, but the seats were VERY uncomfortable. And there is a transmission tunnel in the back seat floor. Both the seats and the tunnel made the dodge go off my list.

This leaves ford: I like the 6.7 Powerstroke, it seems peppier than the cummins, ford has better interior and transmission.

Overall, we decided to go with the Ford.

Now, we were looking for used, but what we found with all of the big 3 were that trucks used with less than 65,000mi cost within a few grand of a brand new truck! So, we went and started price shopping a new truck.

Overall we ended up with Dealer Invoice+ $250 price on a 2016 F-250 XLT Fx4 with Camper Package, sliding back window, backup camera, block heater, upfitter switches, spray in rhino bedliner, and LCD productivity screen.

We love this truck, it pulls our trailer way better than the old 7.3, and the nice features of the truck are worth every penny.


And of course, pictures are attached.

 

Congrats. Nice choice.. I love mine!