Time for sleep...

If ya'll want more accurate mathematical proof (it can go any way), just say so, I'll spend some time & see what I can put together...Most of my time has been working suspension equations...complex, but fascinating!

 

I didn't read the entire article, but I think you can't transfer those formulas directly across to the RZR family without consideration to the difference in the placement of the center of gravity.

It's not just the height that has to be factored in, but at what height the weight is carried - center of gravity.

It might be worth a poll to see how many owners of each model have rolled.

For example, I have 1.5" spacers on my RZR 4 from day one. Never rolled. And it's not like I haven't pushed it. The longer wheelbase also needs to be factored in as do aftermarket add-ons, type of suspension, lift, etc. JMHO

 

I think you might be hitting the Colt 45 a little hard. The ground clearance doesn't really mean much. If you want to appear even semi rational while hitting the juice, you might want to consider the actual center of gravity.

 

I guess we will need to take each of these machines and place them on a tilting table and slowly increase the angle of the table to see at what degree each machine rolls off. Any volunteers?

 

I don't feel that would be very accurate, I've seen plenty of 50" RZR on their side, and just driving and riding in them they feel like they want to roll due to the suspension travel they don't have. I feel way safer in my S then a 50" RZR, RZR4 feels very safe too.

 

Yep, that math doesn't work based on GC. It needs to be center of gravity and even then there are more factors that contribute. Also, there are no "S" models that have 12.5" of GC on the stock setup unless you get nasty with the preloads. Polaris got a little generous with those numbers. With proper springs its still only 11.5-12" at most. Also the S is spec'd out as 60.5" wide. redoing your math with 12" GC that's 19.8% which makes it the most stable.

The only true way is field testing.

 

As a recent switch from 50 to S owner it's an easy answer IMO.

You want to upgrade your springs as soon as you can, especially on the 50. The lack of travel on the 50 and the 10.5 inches thinner. No question the S is more stable. With .25 inches of preload on the front and 0 preload on the back I'm at 12.5 and 13. Just get good springs.

 

The length of the vehicle in relation to the width should play a big role in this as well. COG and suspension as well. It's a good thought of yours, but IMO it has too many flaws.

 

I always say there are two kinds of RZRs...
Those that have rolled, and those that haven't rolled YET.

wear a helmet, 5 point harness, and get a better roll cage...

 

HAHAHA :rofl3:..it wasn't "scientific".. It was just something to do , I like the "colt45" statement, & Jmatter caught on.....(I don't read em anymore either) just skim!

It's too thin, it's too wide???? I was reading all those threads last night & figured, I bet it's too "even"...

I actually couldn't do the mathematical equations to truly figure that crap out...Thats what the Mythbusters are for!! Finally, it's cool to see people "lighten" up... Thanks... Good responses & even the serious ones prove it takes a heck of a lot just to make a point........

 

I've rolled my 50"er twice....once I was climbing a car with one side of it....the other a 250#friend jumped in it and I went balls out slideing on a off camber grade and my tire pressures was a little low to have him in there to. The 50" rzr does not just flop over. The people I take rides actually can't beleive how stable it is. I guess most RZR drivers on here can't drive or are just plain out scared. I get sick of hearing it.....no you can't have a 900 motor because it ain't stable enough. Give a typical "trail" there isn't many of you that could even tink about keeping up with me....and with the 900 motor there would be even less, because power is control to me.

 

It'll be pretty easy to keep up with you when you're on your side lol.

 

Thus the reason one should NEVER trust the math of a man with a Brain injury.
What sometimes looks "good" on paper, just doesnt work in the real world I'm sure some engineers @ Polaris have it ALL figured out... Just seeing the report (on the Rhino) tells me what they "would" be concerned w/ the most... When I added 1.5" spacers to my 50" RZR it made a huge diff, Just 3 inches? When I went to the RZRS suspension it was WAY better! I dont trust the math on the paper as simple as it is.. Thats why I said its the driver! (Or in your head, in my case) Have fun....

I wont be around too much in the pending days so I figured I would double check & make sure I left no open ends this morning.. Enjoy guys.. Mike

 

That math is nonsense. The standard RZR will tip easier than an S, but the center of gravity on a standard is still very low for an off road vehicle. I have had mine in nasty stuff and only had it on its side twice and on two wheels twice. I also do not think it is fair to say that the drivers that put them on their side are not good drivers. Some drivers just push it to the limits and then some.

 

:rofl3:

 

the balance looks pretty good to me... LOL

 

That's the thing....I've never put it on side when going at a race pace ..... The limit is before it tips....not after....That's over the limit

 

lol

 

Need one of these:

:rofl3:

 

Good grief. I want 4:48 minutes of my life back

 

+1 I'm embarrassed to say that I watched the ENTIRE thing. :shhh:

 

Yep me to thats about dumb as hell!

 

"I new one day math would save my life"

 

wider is better.

 

anybody ever called you a NERD? WAY TO MUCH TIME ON YOUR TIMES ON PAL

 

are you an english professor? lol. sorry, i had to.