Ball joints do not determine camber. What LT kit?

You need to drive it and let the suspension settle before measuring anything.

 

I have driven it, the back had a lot of settling to do and that was my thinking on the ball joints. Just grasping at straws now. It is the L&W kit. In theory, the top is longer or the bottom is shorter, but I can’t seem to find that measurement difference. I currently have the springs off and jack stands holding both sides equal for measurements.

 

There’s probably your problem is the l&w. Their arms aren’t adjustable are they? Not the first time on here someone has a suspension looking like that from l&w

 

What’s the chances they sent a 64” wide lower a-arm??

 

It’s not 4” off, at most an 1/8” in 10”. I’m going to measure everything one more time tomorrow, throw the front shocks back on and drive it around my track a bunch more. If it doesn’t settle into place, then to the shop it goes when they open Tuesday. Since I ordered from the shop, I’ll let them deal with L&W.
When I was looking into them, I couldn’t find anything negative on them. I should have sucked it up and bought HCR. Too deep now to change course.

 

It’s not 4” off, at most an 1/8” in 10”. I’m going to measure everything one more time tomorrow, throw the front shocks back on and drive it around my track a bunch more. If it doesn’t settle into place, then to the shop it goes when they open Tuesday. Since I ordered from the shop, I’ll let them deal with L&W.
When I was looking into them, I couldn’t find anything negative on them. I should have sucked it up and bought HCR. Too deep now to change course.

I’m sure they’ll get you lined out!

 

That's a bummer dude, but there's not really anything to adjust. Sounds like you might need some replacement arms.

 

That’s what I’m afraid of, it just irritates me that I can’t seem to find a measurement proving it.

 

If you lower your machine the camber will correct itself. your to lifted in the front.
I definitely recommend adjustable A arms for just this reason.

 

If you lower your machine the camber will correct itself. your to lifted in the front.
I definitely recommend adjustable A arms for just this reason.

Doesn't look too lifted to me, going by axle angle. Definitely not enought to be that far out

 

Dont know if its the same for L&W, but HCR reccommends having the A arms start perfectly level with the ground, not sure your camber would change that much though since yours look pretty close to that now.

 

Ive moved it in about every direction / height and it is about 3 degrees out no mater what. I just realized the back has an inch of toe out on each tire (2” total). Not sure what that does for handling? My xp1k is almost perfectly straight.

 

geometry question here, but should't both A arms measure out the same??? it's a triangle basically, so couldn't you measure the front tube of each lower a arm, and then the rear tube, compare those measurements between the two a arms, and rinse/repeat on the top a arm?

I guess that's assuming each side is symmetrical to the other. measuring the old arms would tell us if they're symmetrical or not.

it sure seems like it's a arm manufacturing issue, but you should be able to measure it for proof as you mentioned.

 

I am having the same exact issues right now on same machine and long travel kit. Did you ever get it solved? What was the issue? Info would be much appreciated!!

 

I put my long travel kit on and and the passenger front is out 3+ degrees compared to the driver at current ride height. Driver reads zero. Factory A arms read zero on passenger. I have measured every way I can think of to try and figure out what is off. I did not install ball joints and the ball joint cup angle is the only thing I have not checked side to side. While I was putting it all back together for the 3rd, 4th or 5th time, the ball joints (Keller) slipped in past where the bolt would hold them and my angle finder read zero. In my head I keep thinking something is wacky with the ball joints, but they should be able to compensate if not installed correctly, right? I have 2.5 days into this trying to see what I am missing. I’m thinking tomorrow I am going to remove the Keller’s and install the factory joints just to eliminate that. Side to side the top center adjustment nut on the Keller measurements are the same top and bottom measured from the mounting bolts for each arm. What am I missing / should check or recheck before taking it to the shop I ordered the kit from on Tuesday? Also is there any special way to press out kellers without damaging them?
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The Keller ball joints are not the problem. There is something wrong with the a arms. The either the bottoms are too short or the tops are too long. Could be a little of both. Send them back to the manufacturer for warranty or a refund. If the company will not refund/replace you will have to discard them or fix them yourself. Let me know if I can help. I had a set of arms that I had to cut and weld to get them to come into spec.

 

I am having the same exact issues right now on same machine and long travel kit. Did you ever get it solved? What was the issue? Info would be much appreciated!!

I'm pretty sure he ended up sending them back because they were made incorrectly, which seems crazy to me cause they should just be made on a jig...

 

Yeah I contacted L&W and basically I need to take them off and completely apart, package and ship them and pre pay for the return shipment just so they can put the arms in the jig and see if they are good or not and if not then I would also have to repay for powder coating.

 

Oof. That sucks, you're like the 4th person I've heard having issues. I know it doesn't help now, but HCR lowered their prices recently and aren't that much more expensive for boxed and tig welded arms. The quality is amazing. If I were you I'd be trying to get my money back and go that route.

 

We’ve sold quite a few ORB long travel kits with no issues from customers. We’ve sold several superatv suspensions with no issues. Lifetime warranty and proven performance and success.

these issues with this brand seem pretty common.

 

Yeah I long traveled my pro xp4 and pro xp at the same time and went with L&W for the xp4 and ORB for the 2 seater. I’m have no issues out of the ORB and nothing but spring and alignment issues with the L&W kit.