Complain about features Honda doesn't even have in your justification rant. Classic ha

 

I guess you didn’t really read my post. In no place did I compare the RZR to the Honda. Honda may have even worse quality but I doubt it.

 

I think he has a very valid point with the same old weaknesses that must be addressed by the end user. Don't get me wrong, I really like my xp1000, but the u-joints, wheel bearings, a-arm bushings, spring quality, carrier bearings, prop shaft spline wear, front half shaft spline wear and multiple cvt weaknesses gets really old. These have all been common problems that have been present for several years and continue to be ignored by Polaris.

That being said there has been very little on the market that challenges the rzr in the suspension department which is why I have one.

 

u-joints, wheel bearings, a-arm bushings, spring quality, carrier bearings, prop shaft spline wear, front half shaft spline wear and multiple cvt weaknesses gets really old. These have all been common problems that have been present for several years and continue to be ignored by Polaris.

These are not common problems, they are usually are ignored by the user until they wear out. Proper maintenance goes a long way in maintaining a good working machine. I see it all the time where folks whine about XXX part broke yet they beat on the machine and do little maintenance.

Bushings - wear item and meant to be replaced under maintenance.

Wheel bearings, propshaft splines, & axles shaft splines wear ONLY happens because they are not maintained properly (IE clean & grease the damn thing).

90% of belt issues are driver induced.

Spring setups are a personal preference so it's hard for a MFG to please all so a basic setup is provided. However, I would like to see Polaris provide a true dual rate setup from the factory.

The whole point is if people would maintain their rig parts would last longer. This is NOT a Polaris thing, it's a user thing and will happen with any MFG. There have been legitimate issues over the years but I think for the most part Polaris gets a bad rap sometimes because of the shear number of units on the market.


Having said all that, it always good to see competition among MFGs as it breeds better quality and performance at a lower price.

 

The Ride Command had 3 year old maps and 2 year old software and still has issues .../QUOTE]

Honda only dreams of ride command yet you use it as justification Towards getting a Honda. Kinda apples and oranges.

 

Whatever you wind up in, remember to enjoy it! That’s what we’re all here for right?


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I will be interested to hear how the Talon holds up. I would consider one if they were available now. About to buy my first Polaris so hate to hear of all your issues. Hope I am the lucky one. LOL

 

I was happy to see a textron and Honda come out and try to compete against Polaris. It will hopefully make Polaris up their game.
Polaris is kinda like Harley. Other companies will come out with other good products but its hard to beat their dealer/service availability and they both have huge after market options available. The other problem for me is all my buddies ride Polarises . We ride hard and if you break one of us likely has what it takes to fix it .
Honda is famous for their reliability.

 

I think the low HP is going to be the biggest thing that keep it from being a giant hit first year. Honda does have a good reputation so lets hope they do up their game with a mid season model add. I am sure they are waiting to see how the Talon is received in the market place before investing too much.

 

The Honda has pretty nice features. DCT, so no belt changes or blowing out the clutches after every single ride. 4-link rear on the 68” model. Spiral cut gears in the diff instead of straight cut so it will be much quieter.

Will it ride as nice or be as capable, no one will know for awhile. But there are some things I really like. I like my XP4 but the build quality from Polaris is terrible. They need competition to force them to up their game.

 

True Their quality @ Polaris sucks. GPS antenna not even connected, missing screws in the bed, what else can I find?

 

I know you are not the only one. I ride with someone who got fed up and went with a XX and couldn't be happier. He doesn't have a fraction of the issues and it is built like a tank. He does 3000+ miles per year, so he knows.

I think Polaris will have to step it up to compete with better and better build quality of other manufactures. The competition today is great for the consumer.

My Polaris machines have been good to me, but I don't ride a lot. My next machine will probably not be a Polaris. Hopefully the competition will drive the new Polaris platform to a higher build quality, they have a lot of the "fun" equation right.

 

The Ride Command had 3 year old maps and 2 year old software and still has issues .../QUOTE]

Honda only dreams of ride command yet you use it as justification Towards getting a Honda. Kinda apples and oranges.

Not to beat a dead horse but I list RC as an example of poor quality. Heading into a 5th year RC still loses tracking when you turn off the engine for lunch-one example of a basic function still f’d up. Maps missing large segments, update issues, dropping connectivity with the Go-Pro, etc. RC is not a big deal for me and easily replaced by a tablet for Nav. There are other functions that I never use including the cameras.
I enjoy doing my own maintenance but would like to make it more of a part time job.
I have a great dealer that is dual line-Polaris and Honda so that’s a plus. Once they arrive I’ll take test drive and decide. I know Honda quality will be first class but ergonomics, handling and ride can only be determined by hands on. The Fox Podium shocks and functional dual rate springs look like a plus. The DC transmission with high and low range might make the 104 HP perform better than the CVT 110 Poo. Polaris will likely offer a Team DC tranny soon as well as others. I could be wrong but I think that’s the future and am anxious to try one.
Good or bad Honda has some appeal....my dealer already has 5 or 6 reservations and pricing isn’t even out yet.

 

All I was saying it if you hate RC don’t buy RC. Using it to justify honda make no sense since they don’t have it. Some of the other stuff seems pretty nice. If they wouldn’t of been so late to the market they would of been a contender before I bought my turbo. But at the time the turbo had the heaviest duty drive train for the money plus doesn’t have some of your gripes about the XP1k.


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The OP is using RC to point out that he purchased a product from Polaris that doesn't work worth a shit.....among other things he listed. So, he's jumping the fence in hopes that items that comes with, or that he purchases for the Honda, will work/function properly.

So OP is not comparing Polaris RC to the non existent Honda RC. Simply saying that a Polaris product sucked for him. Parts and accessories and how they function on your machine, is part of the total purchase/investment. You don't buy a car for the motor alone. You buy it for many many other reasons as well.

 

The DC transmission with high and low range might make the 104 HP perform better than the CVT 110 Poo. Polaris will likely offer a Team DC tranny soon as well as others.

Polaris was the pioneer of the current CVT system, don't think your going to see them changing :rofl3:

 

The DC transmission with high and low range might make the 104 HP perform better than the CVT 110 Poo. Polaris will likely offer a Team DC tranny soon as well as others.

Polaris was the pioneer of the current CVT system, don't think your going to see them changing :rofl3:

I agree they won’t change it....lower cost & lighter weight make the CVT hard to beat for many applications. Polaris along with CanAm were rumored to be looking at it according to one news feed last fall. It would require a chassis redesign so maybe the odds aren’t good. My thought was it might show up in a Trails and Rocks or a higher end version like the Turbo S or an XP 1000 S model.

 

Love my Polaris, but I’m sure Honda is gonna give some major competition. Prob the second gen of the Talon is gonna be the shit. Just look at Honda 4 stroke dirt bikes. Where they came from and where they are now. No comparison. Being a 2 stroke born and raised rider, I would have never considered a 4 stroke bike ever. But now, those 4 strokes are pretty bad ass. That being said, the UTV market is very very strong and that’s why Honda is getting on board. Watch out Polaris...


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Polaris quality is pretty horrible, I will be the first to admit that. However, you can get a brand new turbo for what like $15k now? Thats pretty dang cheap.. I don't think you could touch a X3 for under $20K. I would rather save the $5K and fix the junk that breaks on the Polaris.

Honda has a great rep for reliability and I totally get it. 1 person in our group has a Pioneer and it always tows the broken Polaris' back. We joke and say "Polaris way forward, Honda way home" lol

 

I'd be really surprised if the Talon sells for less than $20,000. It's pretty easy to find XP's around $14,500 - $15,000. Pretty hard to compete with that. Hopefull the DCT in the Talon won't have the clucth problems that they had with the Pioneer. I'll look at it and wait for the reviews and probably wait for year 2 model. If the price differential is too much my R and T will be safe. Now if Polaris would give us shift on the fly between low and high I'm not sure if I'd even look at the Honda.
Dwight

 

Now if Polaris would give us shift on the fly between low and high I'm not sure if I'd even look at the Honda.
Dwight

That is one thing I hate! Especially with my 800S, I am constantly having to stop and shift to high to keep up with the others. Between the HP, gearing, and bigger tires, I feel like I have to switch 10X as often as anyone else.

 

I've been waiting for a long time to see Honda get into the performance SxS market. No way I'll take the leap on a first-year model, but I'll definitely be watching closely for the future. Honda makes great products and if their SxS is anywhere near as good as their dirtbikes and quads (I've owned several in the past), they could dominate the industry within a few years.

I can't say I'll 100% for sure make the switch to Honda, but I definitely won't rule it out either. It won't happen right now, but maybe by the time I'm ready to move on from my current XP1K.

 

As you are entitled to your opinion. My comments were not so much directed at you but just in general because of items you mentioned. Sorry but you are incorrect on several things but it's not worth arguing over, you have already formed your opinion.

 

Those are def common problems....Not sure how you can due maintenance on a sealed bearing or bushings other then grease them.

 

Wheel bearing greaser:

Bushings are a "wear" item and not meant to last forever but when properly maintained (cleaned & greased) will last a long time.

 

Hard to blame it on maintenance when the aftermarket parts last much longer than original components.

OEM a-arm bushings are soft plastic with fairly soft metal inserts. Aftermarket is delrin bushings with hardened inserts that last for.....well never heard of any that have been replaced.

Aftermarket suspension springs need adjusted once...maybe twice to maintain ride height.

Again. Not blasting polaris. I love my xp. But I do see the areas that could stand to be improved. Hopefully the increased competition in the market will provoke these simple changes.

 

Forgot to mention plastic sway bar bushings that almost never take grease because it oozes out where the two halves meet instead of flowing in the grease channels surrounding the bar. Again...simple change to urethane bushings and never touch them again.

 

[QUOTE
The square pucks on the secondary is a joke. Seriously who thought that was a good idea. My biggest problem with the stock setup is jerky engagement. I know how to treat a belt. I have never had a belt break. I run low most of the time, only using high range when appropriate. I also pull out in a manner that does not allow the belt to slip. The jerky starts usually begin within a couple hundred miles of a new belt./QUOTE]

The square pucks in 2017 was a mistake but not changing them for the next 2 years is my beef. There are a lot of people that become disalusioned after having to replace both clutches at 1000 to 1500 miles. Not everyone that buys these has a clue.
If you want to make a major improvement to the clutching (besides changing to round rollers in the driven) there are a couple of things that help.
Most dealers carry or can order a stainless steel shim washer made by Comet. You can almost always place one on the thrust side of the weight and sometimes on both sides. It stops wear and improves the backshift.
More complicated one...The drive clutches come with excess belt side clearance and no shim washers behind the Spider to adjust (like with sleds). I remove my spider and have the back machined to bring the clutch sheaves closer together. On sleds we went .020 but .030 seems to be OK with the XP1K. This makes engagement very smooth and eliminates the jerky start and crow hopping. It also helps the clutch hold gear longer going downhill. But if you do this R’s drop so clutch weights may need to be changed or ground lighter. On 18’s and probably 19’s Polaris didn’t machine the towers all the way to the bottom so some light grinding with a Dremel is required. It’s a lot of work, not expensive but it makes a big difference.

 

It is certainly ok in my book to vote with your feet. This is what breeds a competitive environment. Honda, Yamaha, Polaris, Can Am, and textron all competing for your Motorsports dollar is a great thing for us the consumer.

I admit that when I see a X3 XRS RC on the showroom floor I start reaching for the checkbook! With that said, I'm going into my 6th year of owning some type of RZR and other than maintenance and damage, they have been fairly trouble free and have never left me stranded. I agree the quality could be better, but we literally beat the crap out of these machines and it is a miracle they don't break more often.

I grew up on Honda 4 stroke motorcycles and have great respect for the brand. Enjoy and see you on trail.

 

I recently purchased a 2019 XPT 4. I love the machine, but as all have said, the QC is painful to see. I left the dealership after spending just shy of 30K (with accessories). It is tough to get it home and show the wife how awesome your new machine is and two of the four doors won't shut without slamming... Quick adjustment I know, but it just makes you feel like an idiot.

Quick question do the turbos have the square pucks?

 

Quick question do the turbos have the square pucks?

No pucks.

 

Owned a 2017 xp 1000 and now an 18 xp 1000 high lifter. I will be owning the honda when it hits floors. Ive ridden honda and yamaha my whole life and the quality on polaris machines is hideous compared to other brands. Only reason i purchased another polaris is bc of insurance buying me a new machine. I wont miss my polaris one bit once i sell it..


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I definitely hear this debate. I wouldn’t blame anyone for being upset with Polaris reliability. Although it seems to be hit and miss, not every machine is a dud. Perhaps it’s maintence? Or drive style?

I can tell you this, though - I’m not over here buying BMWs for their reliability. I love those machines for another reason. Same with Polaris, and while I haven’t had any issues yet I did not buy this machine for ultimate reliability. Like stated Honda holds the crown for that one.