[GJRonK]

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I've been off-road a lot. It's never a problem with full lock. If my front was going to have one wheel in the air--I went to full lock. Once beyond, I would flip one thumb switch in 1/2 second and, bingo, I was in three wheel drive. Never a problem figuring out what to do. Never. Choice is good. With Polaris, you have much less choice. No question. No comparison.

This is based on the presumption that you know how to ride off road. Many people don't really know why they should be doing certain things. In that case, the dumbed down Polaris system is probably better.

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[Guest]

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I've been off-road a lot. It's never a problem with full lock. If my front was going to have one wheel in the air--I went to full lock. Once beyond, I would flip one thumb switch in 1/2 second and, bingo, I was in three wheel drive. Never a problem figuring out what to do. Never. Choice is good. With Polaris, you have much less choice. No question. No comparison.

This is based on the presumption that you know how to ride off road. Many people don't really know why they should be doing certain things. In that case, the dumbed down Polaris system is probably better.

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So all that off road expertise told you that climbing over the wheel wells was risking the rear tires getting more bite on the flat tailgate right? I guess you ignored that knowledge had to be the machines fault. ..guess it wasn't dumbed down enough lol.
I'm just giving you crap..you prefer a different system...I won't say it's perfect in my book either. Just don't think the way it engages is bad at all..I can tell you think it caused you a bad experience and you have a sour taste..

 

[GJRonK]

So all that off road expertise told you that climbing over the wheel wells was risking the rear tires getting more bite on the flat tailgate right? I guess you ignored that knowledge had to be the machines fault. ..guess it wasn't dumbed down enough lol.

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Actually, Smartass, a number of people had done this same thing in the past, as did the dealer when he sold it to me, as had I a number of times. This particular time the front wheel did not ride up as usual.

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[Guest]

So all that off road expertise told you that climbing over the wheel wells was risking the rear tires getting more bite on the flat tailgate right? I guess you ignored that knowledge had to be the machines fault. ..guess it wasn't dumbed down enough lol.

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Actually, Smartass, a number of people had done this same thing in the past, as did the dealer when he sold it to me, as had I a number of times. This particular time the front wheel did not ride up as usual.

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Exactly..I didn't say you did it wrong just that's it's risky..my commone sense tells me that. Could happen with any AWD system..that's why most don't load them over the wheel wells in the bed of trucks and I'm sure those that do are apprehensive / cautious every time they do and wouldn't be suprised if everything didn't go perfectly smooth at some point.

 

[GJRonK]

So all that off road expertise told you that climbing over the wheel wells was risking the rear tires getting more bite on the flat tailgate right? I guess you ignored that knowledge had to be the machines fault. ..guess it wasn't dumbed down enough lol.

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Exactly..I didn't say you did it wrong just that's it's risky..my commone sense tells me that. Could happen with any AWD system..that's why most don't load them over the wheel wells in the bed of trucks and I'm sure those that do are apprehensive / cautious every time they do and wouldn't be suprised if everything didn't go perfectly smooth at some point.

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As a matter of fact, you tried to insult me by suggesting that the machine's capability wasn't "dumbed down enough" for me. In the first place, off-roading with a wheel in the air isn't the same as loading in a pickup. If you go to this site you can read an article I wrote on the subject of loading in a pickup bed. I do take precautions. The inner humps are ramped on my p.u., but apparently not well enough. In the future I will make modifications to avoid the problem again. In another thread on this site, I admitted what I had done to warn others that there can be a problem. It is not that "common sense" tells you this. I have loaded other vehicles (albeit mostly ATVs) hundreds of times and council my students on precautions.

RonK

 

[Guest]

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Exactly..I didn't say you did it wrong just that's it's risky..my commone sense tells me that. Could happen with any AWD system..that's why most don't load them over the wheel wells in the bed of trucks and I'm sure those that do are apprehensive / cautious every time they do and wouldn't be suprised if everything didn't go perfectly smooth at some point.

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As a matter of fact, you tried to insult me by suggesting that the machine's capability wasn't "dumbed down enough" for me. In the first place, off-roading with a wheel in the air isn't the same as loading in a pickup. If you go to this site you can read an article I wrote on the subject of loading in a pickup bed. I do take precautions. The inner humps are ramped on my p.u., but apparently not well enough. In the future I will make modifications to avoid the problem again. In another thread on this site, I admitted what I had done to warn others that there can be a problem. It is not that "common sense" tells you this. I have loaded other vehicles (albeit mostly ATVs) hundreds of times and council my students on precautions.

RonK

I wasn't trying to insult you..that was a play on your own words that basically eluded that the system was dumbed down, dumbed down were your words,and that anyone who doesn't prefer a diff lock type system must be too dumb to operate it..re read your post.
Again what happened to you could likely happen to anyone in a machine The width of the RZR with ANY AWD system..thats my point..I'm not trying to start a war here. Good evening.

 

[GJRonK]

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I've been off-road a lot. It's never a problem with full lock. If my front was going to have one wheel in the air--I went to full lock. Once beyond, I would flip one thumb switch in 1/2 second and, bingo, I was in three wheel drive. Never a problem figuring out what to do. Never. Choice is good. With Polaris, you have much less choice. No question. No comparison.

This is based on the presumption that you know how to ride off road. Many people don't really know why they should be doing certain things. In that case, the dumbed down Polaris system is probably better.

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I will let it go after this post, but your words:

"I wasn't trying to insult you..that was a play on your own words that basically eluded that the system was dumbed down and that anyone who doesn't prefer a diff lock type system must be too dumb to operate it..re read your post."

...state that I said (what is right above this), but I didn't. If you read my words (highlighted on top), I said some people who don't know what they are doing are better off with the Polaris system.

With this, I'll just drop the subject.

RonK

 

[Guest]

Ill agree the Polaris system is indeed easier for a novice to operate..Good evening Ron

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I've been off-road a lot. It's never a problem with full lock. If my front was going to have one wheel in the air--I went to full lock. Once beyond, I would flip one thumb switch in 1/2 second and, bingo, I was in three wheel drive. Never a problem figuring out what to do. Never. Choice is good. With Polaris, you have much less choice. No question. No comparison.

This is based on the presumption that you know how to ride off road. Many people don't really know why they should be doing certain things. In that case, the dumbed down Polaris system is probably better.

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I will let it go after this post, but your words:

"I wasn't trying to insult you..that was a play on your own words that basically eluded that the system was dumbed down and that anyone who doesn't prefer a diff lock type system must be too dumb to operate it..re read your post."

...state that I said (what is right above this), but I didn't. If you read my words (highlighted on top), I said some people who don't know what they are doing are better off with the Polaris system.

With this, I'll just drop the subject.

RonK

 

[crazywatson]

The diff basically works like a Detroit locker and only allows wheels to speed up when turning. Why would you ever want it fully locked?

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[Guest]

The diff basically works like a Detroit locker and only allows wheels to speed up when turning. Why would you ever want it fully locked?

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One thing other than the no front engine braking that I'm not crazy about is the fact that the front and rear have to be geared at different ratios..this causes the rear to have to always push the front..even after the front is engaged the front tires turn slower than the rear..this is kind of what Ron was talking about I think..I still don't think it would have mattered much if any in a over the wheel well loading situation where the fronts likely have a lot less traction than the rear..but in certain situation where all tires have equal loss of traction it can cause a performance difference that say a machine that pulls with all 4 at the same speed like Visco QE for instance..hard to explain but after riding ATVs with both systems on the same terrain the QE all four pulling the same speed (but still allows one front to turn faster for steering) has a more controlled and capable feel in certain situations. I definitely wouldn't want all 4 locked, as in a true diff lock, without PS..And obviously even with PS it would need to be turned on and off as you need it..locked machines don't steer very well regardless of whether you can easily turn the wheel just by nature of the tires turning the same speed..as I'm sure you know.

 

[GJRonK]

The diff basically works like a Detroit locker and only allows wheels to speed up when turning. Why would you ever want it fully locked?

...I definitely wouldn't want all 4 locked, as in a true diff lock, without PS..And obviously even with PS it would need to be turned on and off as you need it..locked machines don't steer very well regardless of whether you can easily turn the wheel just by nature of the tires turning the same speed..as I'm sure you know.

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As to why to have a full locked, the reason usually is to get even and constant movement from all four wheels when one or two may be (usually) suspended in the air and have no traction at all. Then all are moving the same distance (for the most part). In my experience, rarely is it needed with ATVs.

I have always had power steering in any I've had (including Jeeps) and it makes turning easier, but not positive. The front will always want to push straight ahead in full front lock. This can be corrected by backing a little and re-turning. Best is the system that can be switched out immediately after the difficult part and just as trying to make a turn. It takes some practice, but it's not hard to learn to do.

(Off the subject, but to see the Jeep I have, go here for several days.)


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[crazywatson]

Good explanation I can now see how it would be nicer to have. For the riding I do most of the time the front end works fine but on certain occasions front engine braking would be nice for me. I have seen someone on here replace the roller cage with a solid piece and weld it all together but that would lock it full time.

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[Guest]

The diff basically works like a Detroit locker and only allows wheels to speed up when turning. Why would you ever want it fully locked?

...I definitely wouldn't want all 4 locked, as in a true diff lock, without PS..And obviously even with PS it would need to be turned on and off as you need it..locked machines don't steer very well regardless of whether you can easily turn the wheel just by nature of the tires turning the same speed..as I'm sure you know.

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As to why to have a full locked, the reason usually is to get even and constant movement from all four wheels when one or two may be (usually) suspended in the air and have no traction at all. Then all are moving the same distance (for the most part). In my experience, rarely is it needed with ATVs.
I have always had power steering in any I've had (including Jeeps) and it makes turning easier, but not positive. The front will always want to push straight ahead in full front lock. This can be corrected by backing a little and re-turning. Best is the system that can be switched out immediately after the difficult part and just as trying to make a turn. It takes some practice, but it's not hard to learn to do.

(Off the subject, but to see the Jeep I have, go here for several days.)


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Actually its a very common scenario for ATVs..well for those that ride rocks anyway, even more so than full sized rigs and UTVs..obviously depends on where you are riding..but it is very easy to get a front tire in the air with the narrow track width and limited suspension travel of an ATV..the Polaris system does very well at this scenario IMO..without need to lock and unlock and fight the steering. Can-Ams regular Visco on the other hand is a nightmare in that type of terrain. The Polaris system is about as close as you can get to a 4 wheel locked system without actually being that..Detroit locker up front is a good comparison..the only downfall is the front to rear gear ratio difference..and most times its not even a noticiable issue.

Ron thats a clean Jeep BTW..

 

[GJRonK]

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Ron thats a clean Jeep BTW..

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Thanks, but money speaks louder than praises. LOL

But seriously, I need to sell it to make room for my other toys.

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[Guest]

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Ron thats a clean Jeep BTW..

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Thanks, but money speaks louder than praises. LOL

But seriously, I need to sell it to make room for my other toys.

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Sorry my last 20Gs is being saved for a Can-Am Maverick :rofl3:

 

[Pgrtag]

Newbie question, should I leave on a ride already in AWD or shift to it once I need it?

 

[GJRonK]

Newbie question, should I leave on a ride already in AWD or shift to it once I need it?

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If it's in AWD, it will only activate with front wheels pulling AFTER you need it anyway. So you might as well leave the switch in AWD all the time as it's only running in 2WD.

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[Pgrtag]

Newbie question, should I leave on a ride already in AWD or shift to it once I need it?

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If it's in AWD, it will only activate with front wheels pulling AFTER you need it anyway. So you might as well leave the switch in AWD all the time as it's only running in 2WD.

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Thank you!

 

[rocksam]

The one place you guys left out is that the polaris system really sucks is that it does not work in reverse. If you get stuck going forward in 4x you reeally need 4x in reverse. I will say going forward it works really good, not too much feed back and still keeps you going forward even if the person driving wouldn't know when to lock in the front dif.

 

[Desertwheeler]

So your saying no 4wd in reverse?