Found these...they're a little pricey but well worth it I think.
XMITTER BARS (Patent Pending) - LED SERIES - VISION X OFFROAD

 

They are using them out west now on a lot of the desert race vehicles. These LED lights are bad @ss man put out more light then HID and use about 1/2 the power of the HID. There is a company called Vision X offroad selling them and also Holder Offroad is selling them. There is also a video on Youtube of a guy holding two of these LED light bars designed for offroad use and is smacking them together as hard as he can with out breaking them or damaging them pretty cool and innovative stuff but a little bit pricey.

 

Super Bright LEDs - Festoon Base Bulbs

 

Aren't these little fuse-size bulbs for your dome light?

 

I wonder if there is a difference between say a whelen LED light and one of these xmitter or other brands that are marketed towards the off raod community.

 

Check out Holder off road. Love the light bars.

 

These are the holder lights, two ten inch..These things are very bright and sturdy. I do like them they emmit a very white light, compared to hid's which have a yellow tint to them.

 

I like the idea of LED driving lights but I just can't afford $500 for them. LEDs are cheap to manufacture so when they drop to $100 I'll bite. Seeing how quickly HID dropped from $300/set to $75/set (and even less), I don't think I will have to wait that long.

 

USMCSKI...I just got in a set of 4 9" LED's this past Thursday from a guy that owed me $$$ and I just happened to find him...Not the way I wanted to collect, but better than nothing. After doing a "Quick-Rig" last night to try them out next to my new HID setup and they are UNBELIEVABLE!!!

I got a total of Four 9" sets and just wired up a set of two. They are actually brighter than the HID's that I installed and that was just two. There is also not any noticeable power drop visually and very minimal on the meter.

I was thinking of setting them up in a low-profile lightbar, but something with a brush guard to protect them. The housings are all metal and these things are very well built. I would say they are definitely worth the money and I'm sure the price will come down, but I don't know if I would have pulled the money out of my pocket to buy them. I just knew I had to get what I could right then or lose everything.

These are the XMitter brand...He did have a set of the 22" and one 42", but I wanted to have a little more options with the 9" separates. I didn't get a change to run them at night because I would have had to give up riding the next day and I wouldn't have had a good mount.

I've been wanting to start on my "Project RZR-Electric Diet" and now I'm a lot closer. I want to see just how much power I can recover/save over stock and the normal upgrade paths that we all have currently.

I'll report back with pictures when I get it done...Supposedly the XMitter brand is the brightest LED available for this class of LED. They use them on a lot of the high-end Trophy-Trucks from what I've seen so far.

 

I found a new source for the high power LED lights that I'm waiting on them to deliver before I speak. From what I've seen so far the new place really knows high-powered lighting. If all goes well I'll get setup as a dealer and anyone can try a set at whatever my cost may be and passed on to you. They are claiming 1600 lumens with a much broader field of cover.

Hopefully by Wednesday or Thursday. The Xmitter's are still running great.

 

RZRarmy....be sure to keep us posted!!!!!

 

It would appear that the manufacturers of these lights are taking the individual lumen rating of each LED in the light and adding them together and using that as there "lumen" rating, rather than measuring the lumen output of the bar as a single unit, which could be a little misleading. I could be wrong and either way.....they appear to be very bright. A lot of what makes the newer LEDs more effective is a coupling with a good reflector and lens. We use these at work and they are very bright with a single LED. In my off the cuff comparison, these are much brighter than the stock RZR headlights.

Streamlight - Stinger® Series - Stinger DS™ LED

I have thought about running a few of these off the main electrical system hidden in strategic spots to turn night in to day. At $60 a piece, I could run 4 or 6 pretty cheaply and I think they might look cool "ganged" up. The Whelen TIR6 has been rated by some at 600 lumen which is about 100 lumen per LED if measured the same way, so it appears that the LEDs being used by Whelen are of the same output as those used by these "Offroad" folks for a lot less $$, though there may be some difference in the reflector or lens combination that could result in different overall output. Just my $.02

 

I found these after reading the post... they appear to be the same 3watt LED bulbs that Xmitter uses, but you get twice as many for the same price 8 on the xmitter vs. 16 on these, plus they come with pre programmed flash patterns, might be fun if they are easy to switch between.

SIRENNET.COM - Sound Off Predator II Dual Side-by-Side Surface Mount

Anyone have any input...Pro's or Con's?

 

Well I actually received the lights this morning and just did a quick crude test to switch between the two. These lights are much different than the Xmitter lights in a Good way. They illuminate in a different way. These are better balanced all the way across the beam. I think this is because of the way the lens is setup. The claim is 1600 Lumen @1.8amp. I came up with 2.0 amps, but don't intend on trying to calculate the lumen. I'm just going to set them up side by side and turn them on and get pictures of the result since that's what everyone will want to see.

They are just as impressive as the Xmitter if not a little more...

Just FYI to everyone...you really can't measure/compare the output of LED to HID or Halogen the normal ways. The LED is a totally different type of light in the way that it's focused and amplified. A lower lumen rating on an LED can actually provide more viewing light than the HID or Halogen. It's all in the way the lights are assembled.

This is all new to me so I'm just trying to keep it simple for us all. I should have a good test rig setup for the weekend and get some pictures posted.

One Word of Caution!!! These lights are stepping into a different level of light and are ALWAYS BRIGHT. You can do serious or permanent damage to your eyes and others if not used with care.

Just thought I would mention that.

 

The claim is 1600 Lumen @1.8amp. I came up with 2.0 amps,

A 35 Watt HID puts out 3500 Lumen. It runs at 3 Amps.

My math says that is more energy efficient than the same lumens from these LED light bars.

I can get decent HID offroad lights for $110.
For the money I can't justify the LED setups.

 

Like I mentioned before...You don't compare Lumen to Lumen on Halogen/HID vs LED lights. Two completely different setups.

With LED lights it isn't just how much power you can throw. It's the quality of light that is thrown and how evenly it is distributed from edge to edge. To give you a better mental picture...If you had a 1" flashlight capable of putting out 1600 lumen it would be a very focused "Single" source that when it hits the wall the total area is about 3ft diameter. With the LED version you have six 1" sources of lights focused in the same general area that overlap and when this source hits the wall it has a 20ft or larger diameter. The light meter may be measuring the same at the center on each, but you get the same output up to 20 degrees off to each side off center. This is where the LED completely takes over.

Even in normal lighting total Lumens output is subject to how it's being calculated in the given environment.

The LED light setups are expensive for a reason. They are a very engineered light source. Also because several factors come in to play with the top being "Binning" which is a grade of light quality of the LED.

One very cool thing about these lights that I just got is a built in safety function that senses low battery voltage and puts the lights into a "Wig-Wag" to preserve power and get you back safe. These will operate all the way down to 9volts in the WigWag. So for the heck of it I left them hooked up to my stock battery that hasn't been charged in a month. Left them on all night and day and about 15 minutes ago they finally went into Wig-Wag. I'm going to leave them on until they stop.

They also run fairly cool and take up very little space. I'm trying to figure out where I want to mount them. I'm going to wire all three sets up on separate switches so I can compare them.

 

So are you saying that a 1600 Lumen LED puts out more light than a 3500 Lumen HID?

Or are you saying its just a more even pattern? Like a diffused fog light.

 

No 1600 lumen in a much broader area instead of all being focused in the center. You have to actually look at the LED setups as they appear...Several individual sources of light covering it's own area. All together they put out the same light power, but cover a lot more space.

I'm glad you brought up the "Diffused Fog" light thought. No it's nothing like that because those are single light sources that depend on a diffuser to spread the light which horribly disturbs the light path and you need a much more powerful light source to spread the light while the LED source is 6 individually focused sources.

I guess another analogy would be a single speaker with 1000 watts of power running in full range having to cover Bass, Mid-range and High's verses a 5 speaker setup that firing at you with the same 1000 watts of power. You still are using 1000 watts, but you are actually getting a substantial amount more total volume and coverage. Instead of having the one speaker with a very limited amount of speaker surface area you have 16 times more area making sound. Yamaha Sound did this several years back with a single box with 40 individual small speakers. It actually works really well.

I have built a single HID light bar with 2 sets (4 bulbs) that puts out an Incredible amount of light and I finally figured out the right formula/setup for the reflector. I did this two years ago when HID's were still way too expensive(grin). It actually worked great, but running 4 ballasts, relays and wiring just took up too much room and the amount of heat it put out was substantial.

These LED's are enclosed in an Aluminum housing/heatsink that gets rid of a lot of heat and provides good protection. The HID's are great lights if you use quality connections and protect the ballasts. Vibration is still a problem for some of them like the Halogen bulbs, but for the money and power savings they are a good buy.

I haven't proven it yet, but from what I've seen so far...I can use just 2 1600 Lumen LED's in place of 2 sets( 4 bulbs) of HID's because they light up the same amount of area. Now if the HID's were setup with two wide and two narrow it would probably be a little better.

One thing that I did think about was that if you had any on coming traffic at night it would blind the hell out of them for a longer period of time since the LED's have such a broad coverage. The light doesn't fall off quite as quick on the edges.

 

RZRARMY
:worthless:

 

My brain is too tiny.
I think I understand the idea of spreading the light evenly without using a diffuser which scatters it.

I have seen a few HID "free form" reflectors recently that give great light coverage (not a spot or a diffused fog) out to about 2500 feet which is great on a RZR. Hard to out run that.

I'd really like to go for a ride with you but I'm in CO.

 

AZDevildog...I just got the new LED's yesterday and planned on installing them this weekend. Sorry to bore you!

Redman...I've gotten a ton of good info from this forum CandlePowerForums - Powered by vBulletin If you poke around you will see some INSANE flashlights! There are also some guys in the forum that machine their reflectors from billet and then polish out. I would have never thought that people were that intense about flashlights(grin).

 

AZDevildog...I just got the new LED's yesterday and planned on installing them this weekend. Sorry to bore you!

I didn't mean to bust your balls, I've been dying to use that smiley since I joined this forum.

 

Yeah I've looked at Candlepower forums. Those guys are more obsessed than we are.

I learned some there but my math kept me from building anything.

I really like this LED. 540 Lumens at 700ma.
Endor Rebel - Cool White, Tri-Emitter, 540 Lumens @ 700mA [7007-PWC-10-3]
Thats more than twice the output of a Luxeon K2 (200Lumens @ 1000ma)

BUT "Standard Fraen and L2 lenses are NOT compatible with this LED".

When a decent elliptical beam lens is available you can probably make a
great light out of these in a small package.

Which sort of left me in the K2 realm at $9/200 lumens

With a $5 Lens and mount that output to a 10° X 20° elliptical beam of light.
Fraen Elliptical Beam Lens With Holder - Fits K2 LEDs [FHS-HEB1-LLK2-H]

I could see building an 18 LED light (3600 lumens) for $252 without the power drivers or a housing. So I lost interest.

But if you saying I can get the proper light at 1600 lumens I may look again.

The housing seems to be the hard part.

 

RZRARMY -

How many of the new LEDS could you get behind a clear cover from a stock headlight? If it held enough you could switch between a few or all...sort of solve the hi\lo problem for street legal while at the same time getting better light than the stockers??????

 

Well you wouldn't want to put anything in front of the LED's because it will cut the performance quite a bit unless it was totally flat. Also these LED's come in an aluminum housing with one set being 6" long and the other set being 9" long so fitting them may be a problem.

Probably some sort of custom bracket could be made for them to fit. I'm going to experiement with a "Bright Light" setup.

 

rzrarmy......give us some info on these led lights!!!. I am looking for a few to add to my rzr!

 

Army: you have my attention. I would like to go with led's, so let us know what you decide. You made my head spin reading these posts. LOL. Just tell me what to buy. I believe you.

 

Sorry for no quick follow up guys...I got called out again! I'll be back home tonight and should have something to show soon. I was trying to setup a quick switch panel to show the differences.

The last set of lights that I got are from the aerospace industry and used as main landing lights. I would have to say that if these are trusted enough for replacing this type of illumination system they will work great for us.

The wiring is also a little different on these so I'm having to work through that, but once I have everything identified it shouldn't be a problem.