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The new Powercommander is going to replace my Dynatek ignition system and will automatically tune every split second. I can go in and set my desired AFR and it will constantly tune to keep it there :)

I'm running an additional two injectors (a total of 4) and I've beefed up the fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator.

I'm hoping to run the motor pretty mild since I will have a lot of practice days before the race, but still be around the 200hp mark and a 90 mph top speed.
Just curious, it is any advantage to run 4 injectors compare to just install bigger ones in place of stock ones ? :question:
milos
Ive been told several times that smaller injectors atomize to fuel better, so imo 4 smaller injectors would be better then 2 larger injectors.
That's interesting, thanks.:)
milos
 
Discussion starter · #22 ·
i am useing the auto tune and had a lowes bag wraped around the air cleaner for 2 weeks and it still ran fine !!!!!! works great !!!!
Haha that's awesome! I have high hopes for this setup, especially since this race begins at 9,000ft and finishes at over 14,000ft elevation!

The new Powercommander is going to replace my Dynatek ignition system and will automatically tune every split second. I can go in and set my desired AFR and it will constantly tune to keep it there :)

I'm running an additional two injectors (a total of 4) and I've beefed up the fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator.

I'm hoping to run the motor pretty mild since I will have a lot of practice days before the race, but still be around the 200hp mark and a 90 mph top speed.
Just curious, it is any advantage to run 4 injectors compare to just install bigger ones in place of stock ones ? :question:
milos
Ive been told several times that smaller injectors atomize to fuel better, so imo 4 smaller injectors would be better then 2 larger injectors.
I never thought about that, thanks for the info!

Just curious, it is any advantage to run 4 injectors compare to just install bigger ones in place of stock ones ? :question:
milos
I don't think you can run enough fuel through larger injectors to get the tuning right. I've been running 4 injectors for over a year and so far I've been able to get the tuning right on.

You guys run crazy HP, which need lot of fuel. :ride: Reason I ask I tried those bigger injectors from MPI and they give me so much fuel I can't use them with MCX 3th injector, even when I turn fuel down with Dynatek. I even like to try eliminate 3th MCX injector and run just this 2 oversized ones with boost controlled fuel pressure regulator , what will happened. But again I don't run HP and RPM like you. :)
milos
Yeah just running two injectors would be nice. To me the more simple the setup, the less that can go wrong, but like I said I've got over a year on the 4 injectors and well over 1,000 miles on that setup without one issue and plenty of fuel.
 
I do have another Q. if I can, with this Power Commander V you can control timing too as with Dynatek or you will now run both together ? And with Auto tune, it is possible to hook AFR gauge to it or you just put another wideband sensor in exhaust ? This Auto tune really look interesting.
milos
 
Discussion starter · #24 ·
I do have another Q. if I can, with this Power Commander V you can control timing too as with Dynatek or you will now run both together ? And with Auto tune, it is possible to hook AFR gauge to it or you just put another wideband sensor in exhaust ? This Auto tune really look interesting.
milos
I haven't installed it yet, but my understanding is that it does everything that the dynatek does, plus the auto tune feature. The auto tune unit comes with sensor that plugs into the exhaust, but I also want to continue to use my MCX display so that I can see everything that's going on. I need to do some more research and see if I can piggy back these two or if I actually need to drill another bung to run both units. I will get back to you on this.
 
Whats the red gizmo in the pic with the cylinder and piston?
A blow-off valve. Kind of anxious to hear how it sounds at 20+ psi :)



Yes, I will be at 900cc's with a ported head, 1mm larger valves and an upgraded turbo. The stock MCX turbo is a TD04-12T and I upgraded mine to a TD04-15T and clipped the hot side 15 degrees. The 15T turbo spools really fast and is very efficient at 20+ psi. This turbo alone easily supports 260whp on most other turboed platforms.

I think it is Blow off valve.
milos
Milos knows what's up! Have you heard one of these yet?

Yeah, we used to play with it, when my son had Mitsubishi Eclipse turbo.
He really like the the sound of blow off valve. :ride:
Please, post some pictures if you can, I really like to see how and where is plumbed to the MCX system. What brand is it ?
I was told to use only good quality one, which close fast after blow by to avoid suck in the dirt .
milos
before the throttle body is the optimal place, but i have seen them before the intercooler. gotta do your research on which bov to get as some leak and can cause vacum leaks. the best i ever used was a sequential by hks.
 
I do have another Q. if I can, with this Power Commander V you can control timing too as with Dynatek or you will now run both together ? And with Auto tune, it is possible to hook AFR gauge to it or you just put another wideband sensor in exhaust ? This Auto tune really look interesting.
milos
I haven't installed it yet, but my understanding is that it does everything that the dynatek does, plus the auto tune feature. The auto tune unit comes with sensor that plugs into the exhaust, but I also want to continue to use my MCX display so that I can see everything that's going on. I need to do some more research and see if I can piggy back these two or if I actually need to drill another bung to run both units. I will get back to you on this.
THX and keep us posted on your progress. :ride:
milos
 
Discussion starter · #28 ·
doug, did you stop using the computer supplied by mcx?
The MCX kit doesn't come with an ECU to my knowledge. I've always just used the stock ECU with a Dynatek ignition box and tuner. If you get MCX's display, which I do have, you can use that to watch all the vitals and to also hook a laptop to and custom tune.
 
Can you lock in the fuel map easily?
I am just thinking that the auto tune is cool, but what if the O2 sensor quits working? could you exit the auto tune feature and run a standard map on the fly?
Not likely to happen on race day, but my O2 sensor quit working last weekend and had to be replaced...
 
A blow-off valve. Kind of anxious to hear how it sounds at 20+ psi :)



Yes, I will be at 900cc's with a ported head, 1mm larger valves and an upgraded turbo. The stock MCX turbo is a TD04-12T and I upgraded mine to a TD04-15T and clipped the hot side 15 degrees. The 15T turbo spools really fast and is very efficient at 20+ psi. This turbo alone easily supports 260whp on most other turboed platforms.



Milos knows what's up! Have you heard one of these yet?

Yeah, we used to play with it, when my son had Mitsubishi Eclipse turbo.
He really like the the sound of blow off valve. :ride:
Please, post some pictures if you can, I really like to see how and where is plumbed to the MCX system. What brand is it ?
I was told to use only good quality one, which close fast after blow by to avoid suck in the dirt .
milos
before the throttle body is the optimal place, but i have seen them before the intercooler. gotta do your research on which bov to get as some leak and can cause vacum leaks. the best i ever used was a sequential by hks.
THX, actually before the throttle body will be perfect place with MCX set due long hose going from discharge side of intercooler to TB. Lot of space to put Blow off valve there on T's.
milos
 
Discussion starter · #31 ·
Can you lock in the fuel map easily?
I am just thinking that the auto tune is cool, but what if the O2 sensor quits working? could you exit the auto tune feature and run a standard map on the fly?
Not likely to happen on race day, but my O2 sensor quit working last weekend and had to be replaced...
I was worried about that as well because I will be running race gas and I didn't want it to quit working half way up the hill. The Autotune has a feature where you can set a floor and a ceiling limit. So if the sensors goes out you can set it to where it never leans out or riches up by more or less than say 10% or whatever you input. It's definitely a nice safety feature to have.

The good thing for me is that I will be going way up in elevation so I will be running out of air and not fuel :)

Yeah, we used to play with it, when my son had Mitsubishi Eclipse turbo.
He really like the the sound of blow off valve. :ride:
Please, post some pictures if you can, I really like to see how and where is plumbed to the MCX system. What brand is it ?
I was told to use only good quality one, which close fast after blow by to avoid suck in the dirt .
milos
before the throttle body is the optimal place, but i have seen them before the intercooler. gotta do your research on which bov to get as some leak and can cause vacum leaks. the best i ever used was a sequential by hks.
THX, actually before the throttle body will be perfect place with MCX set due long hose going from discharge side of intercooler to TB. Lot of space to put Blow off valve there on T's.
milos
That's kind of what I was thinking as well! The only thing is I hate to have it under the bed, but I will play around with it and see.
 
how much suspension travel are you going to run. would seem the lower the better but how smooth is the course??? last time i drove it it was actually quite smooth, just lots of braking ripples(this was quite a few years ago).

any way to fab some different rear suspension mounts that allow for rear squat during braking(like a car)? i would guess the geometry off of a current high end sports car would be a good place to start. gonna need every trick you've got to beat those turbo redline revolts!
 
Discussion starter · #33 ·
how much suspension travel are you going to run. would seem the lower the better but how smooth is the course??? last time i drove it it was actually quite smooth, just lots of braking ripples(this was quite a few years ago).

any way to fab some different rear suspension mounts that allow for rear squat during braking(like a car)? i would guess the geometry off of a current high end sports car would be a good place to start. gonna need every trick you've got to beat those turbo redline revolts!
Probably only a couple of inches :)

I plan on running it only about a fist off the ground. I haven't been up there yet, but it looks like they prep the dirt pretty well for the race and I know the rally cars and unlimited's are slammed to the ground. My center of gravity should be pretty low and with the XTR kit I'll be just shy of 6' wide :D
 
I uncle has a friend that runs it on his banshee. The thing is slammed like a pancake and really short. He actually has a shortened swing arm on it. Also the whole coarse is slowly getting more paved every year keep that in mind too.
 
Discussion starter · #35 ·
I uncle has a friend that runs it on his banshee. The thing is slammed like a pancake and really short. He actually has a shortened swing arm on it. Also the whole coarse is slowly getting more paved every year keep that in mind too.
Yeah it's over 60% paved now. I'll be setting the suspension up to get me in and out of the tight turns as fast as possible :ride:
 
Can you lock in the fuel map easily?
I am just thinking that the auto tune is cool, but what if the O2 sensor quits working? could you exit the auto tune feature and run a standard map on the fly?
Not likely to happen on race day, but my O2 sensor quit working last weekend and had to be replaced...
Just curious Cliff, what happened when oxygen sensor quit ? You get nonsense reading or gauge just show not reading at all ?
FYI I found this site where is a video how to test sensor easy way.
AEM UEGO Replacement Sensor - AEM Replacement Sensor for all AEM UEGOs

milos
 
Discussion starter · #37 ·
Can you lock in the fuel map easily?
I am just thinking that the auto tune is cool, but what if the O2 sensor quits working? could you exit the auto tune feature and run a standard map on the fly?
Not likely to happen on race day, but my O2 sensor quit working last weekend and had to be replaced...
Just curious Cliff, what happened when oxygen sensor quit ? You get nonsense reading or gauge just show not reading at all ?
FYI I found this site where is a video how to test sensor easy way.
AEM UEGO Replacement Sensor - AEM Replacement Sensor for all AEM UEGOs

milos
I had one go out as well and I thought it was being I was running some race gas, but I think it was just a bad unit. When mine went out my digital AFR gauge was all over the place and the numbers we just all jumbled.

That AEM oxygen sensor plug looks almost exactly the same as the one on my RZR. Anyone know if these are universal or the same because this AEM sensor is a LOT cheaper than the one I ordered from the local car parts store!
 
Can you lock in the fuel map easily?
I am just thinking that the auto tune is cool, but what if the O2 sensor quits working? could you exit the auto tune feature and run a standard map on the fly?
Not likely to happen on race day, but my O2 sensor quit working last weekend and had to be replaced...
Just curious Cliff, what happened when oxygen sensor quit ? You get nonsense reading or gauge just show not reading at all ?
FYI I found this site where is a video how to test sensor easy way.
AEM UEGO Replacement Sensor - AEM Replacement Sensor for all AEM UEGOs

milos
I had one go out as well and I thought it was being I was running some race gas, but I think it was just a bad unit. When mine went out my digital AFR gauge was all over the place and the numbers we just all jumbled.

That AEM oxygen sensor plug looks almost exactly the same as the one on my RZR. Anyone know if these are universal or the same because this AEM sensor is a LOT cheaper than the one I ordered from the local car parts store!
The sensor is $41.00 at Checkers... I bought one a while back...
 
Just curious Cliff, what happened when oxygen sensor quit ? You get nonsense reading or gauge just show not reading at all ?
FYI I found this site where is a video how to test sensor easy way.
AEM UEGO Replacement Sensor - AEM Replacement Sensor for all AEM UEGOs

milos
I had one go out as well and I thought it was being I was running some race gas, but I think it was just a bad unit. When mine went out my digital AFR gauge was all over the place and the numbers we just all jumbled.

That AEM oxygen sensor plug looks almost exactly the same as the one on my RZR. Anyone know if these are universal or the same because this AEM sensor is a LOT cheaper than the one I ordered from the local car parts store!
The sensor is $1.00 at Checkers... I bought one a while back...
$1.00 or $100 I really don't think was just a buck.IMHO
milos
 
Discussion starter · #40 ·
Just curious Cliff, what happened when oxygen sensor quit ? You get nonsense reading or gauge just show not reading at all ?
FYI I found this site where is a video how to test sensor easy way.
AEM UEGO Replacement Sensor - AEM Replacement Sensor for all AEM UEGOs

milos
I had one go out as well and I thought it was being I was running some race gas, but I think it was just a bad unit. When mine went out my digital AFR gauge was all over the place and the numbers we just all jumbled.

That AEM oxygen sensor plug looks almost exactly the same as the one on my RZR. Anyone know if these are universal or the same because this AEM sensor is a LOT cheaper than the one I ordered from the local car parts store!
The sensor is $1.00 at Checkers... I bought one a while back...
Do you mean $100.00? That's about what mine was if not a bit more! It's a Bosch oxygen sensor that my AFR gauge uses and it's not cheap :rollfinger:
 
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