I was all set to buy a 800s with extremely low milease until the dealer sold it out from under me....
that's another story..

Did you put a deposit down on it ???

 

I was all set to buy a 800s with extremely low milease until the dealer sold it out from under me....
that's another story..

Did you put a deposit down on it ???

I wasn't going to get into it, but since you asked:

I called late last week and spoke to the owner. I told him I would be coming to pick it up either last Saturday or the this coming Saturday and I wanted to give him a deposit via CC. He said he didn't want to take a deposit via CC because that costs him money. Said he would put a tag on it with my name and number and if someone wanted it before I got there he would call me to make sure I was still coming. He also said nobody was beating down his door for it, so don't worry.

so technically no I didn't have a deposit even though I tried to leave one. I accepted his word on it since I did everything I could, short of mailing him a check to secure the machine. I trusted his word on it.

Anyway I email the sales woman yesterday to let her know I'm coming this Saturday for it, and she say's "oh, that sold this morning".....I said "No, it sold last week to me! I spoke to the owner and we made arrangements."

later last night the owner called me and apologized, saying he did remember our conversation but did not follow through and tag the machine sold. He said he felt bad, but the mcahine was already gone, all he could do make up for it was offer me a deal on a new machine as he had nothing similar in his used inventory...

I was pissed, but I'm over it, guess it wasn't meant to be.

 

last night the owner called me and apologized, saying he did remember our conversation but did not follow through and tag the machine sold. He said he felt bad, but all he could do make up for it, was offer me a deal on a new machine as he had nothing similar in his used inventory...

Take his apology to McDonalds and see what it'll get you !!!

As you stated it wasn't meant to be ...


Good luck in your quest of finding another ride...

 

Im in the same boat and interested in hearing responses. Im looking at a 2014 800 XC and a new 2016 570. While the XC comes with a bunch of extras, im still leaning towards a new 570 for maintenance and because i will know the history.

 

For me there was no comparison between my 800 50" and my 800S with Fox shocks. Both were equipped with power steering, but the difference in ride and overall stability is huge.

The S model will roll over rutted and craggy terrain easily where the 50" would be close to tipping and giving you serious pucker factor. 800S way smoother riding and more stable and that equals more fun.

I now have an XP1K but still have the 800S. The 800S will damm near go anywhere the 1K will..its a good machine.

 

I would forget the one with broken speedometer. That tells me, rode hard, put away wet. The 2013 looks good. Roof, doors, storage box in back. Depends on your type of riding and terrain. Have had two 800. Have one just like the blue one. It is HP so more power then then some of the earlier models. Would go with the 13 over the 11. That is my take. Good luck.

 

If I were buying my 800 again, I'd go with the S. I bought a 2009 standard used in 2010. The first upgrade was the S suspension conversion which is light years ahead of the 50" suspension. The conversion was $750 and I found new take-off Fox podium shocks one bay for $1150. You'd be hard pressed with today's prices to go that cheap.

 

I couldn't agree more. I owned a standard first and I disliked the suspension from the start and wished I'd just bought the S. I did the ltr 450 conversion for the front and that made a big difference, but eventually bought an S and put Racer Tech springs on it and loved it. In fact, I still think that suspension on my '12 S was quite a bit better for my riding than the current suspension on my xp 4 900, the engine is a totally different story. Unless I was really, truly limited to 50", I'd never buy a standard rzr just based on suspension.

 

the standard S with oem wheels and tires will just barely fit in my truck, once you go to SATV s conversion kit, it's over 60" and then you need a trailer.

the older "s" models will work(at lease with OEM tires), however the new 60" models are in fact wider than 60"

a 50" machine with a decent set of shocks, lift and wheel spacers does pretty good according to my friends that have them.

 

We actually just had our first tip over (very lightly probably 8 inches from the wall when it happened. We are looking into just the front as 800s parts are easily had. Thinking of going XP shocks and throwing limit straps on it.

I wish superatv and the others would break up their +5 kits so I can upgrade in pieces if I want but I guess you got to make money.

 

If going used, I would go for that 2011 or 2013. Can't beat the price on the 570 either. Would avoid the 2010 unless you can get it really cheap.

 

Just noticed superatv s kits dropped by 350 till 12/20 so damn tempting

 

A couple of years a go I had to Choose between a 50" 800 or The 570 & Chose the 570 Big Reason for choosing the 570 was Much easier to maintain Belt Replacement-Oil Level Check all much easier 2200miles later RZR is still going strong,Either way the 50" Stock Shocks/Springs will eventualy need upgrading I went with the Bandit Trail Series & The Bandits made a Huge Improvement,570 Front Suspension I believe is the same as the 50" 800 & Rear is similar if your $8800 for the 2015 570 is a new machine you will at least have the factory warranty & know the machines history from day 1

 

I think we are getting a bit off topic, but let me say that I understand the need for ground clearance especially in the rocky terrain I ride. To me the pros to a standard 50" RZR either 570 800 or 900 are my trials tend to be tight and the 50" machine with some suspension upgrades makes sense to me even if I bump it out to 55", it still fits in my truck and works in tight trails.

I have no illusion that a stock 50" machine is going to have the ride and clearance of the "S" model suspension. At the same time I'm not convinced the OEM Fox shocks are the end all of suspension...they don't even have rebound damping..although they are certainly better than the Sachs units.....my good friend has a 2013 "S" and he had to upgrade to better Fox shocks for the rear that have rebound damping so that he could attack whoop sections without the back bucking up on him.

So when I say I'm considering standard RZR's I just mean a 50" machine which I will at very least add a lift/springs and larger tires for clearance and ride....then down the road possibly upgrade the shocks.

I would still consider a "s" if I could find a good low mileage unit at a good price point that someone hasn't messed with and pushed it over my 60" max width.

 

. At the same time I'm not convinced the OEM Fox shocks are the end all of suspension...they don't even have rebound damping..although they are certainly better than the Sachs units.....my good friend has a 2013 "S" and he had to upgrade to better Fox shocks for the rear that have rebound damping so that he could attack whoop sections without the back bucking up on him.

The oem fox's are a hundred times(maybe 1000x) better than the junk sachs, they're not even close and I've owned both. Although I've never had a polaris that didn't need new springs immediately, regardless of shocks. As for rebound, unless you buy the Fox edition xp 1000, I'm not sure any of the Polaris models have rebound adjustment although I'd agree and like to see it.

 

I saw on another post you come from a dirtbike back ground. Myself coming from MX and Quad MX, I'll straight up tell you that if you ride aggressive on the bike, you are going to be really unhappy with the ride of the 50" after the new fun factor wears out. At first it's all good and you can take it, but then you will start looking at aftermarket shocks. Then after that new fun factor works out, then you'll be looking for an "S" kit.

Vicious cycle that's for sure, but when you are swapping out in turns, tires off the ground on off cambers, teeth chattering from shock fade, etc the money just starts to burn a hole in your pocket...lol! And I agree, no rebound on some of the aftermarket shocks is odd. At the same time, there are a lot of people with all these adjustments that don't know how to really tune it properly. Let along set race sag.

 

I totally get what you are saying....but my intentions for the machine are a bit more laid back, when I want to go fast in the woods I have my dirtbike. the "idea" for the side by side is to get my wife and daughter in the woods at a more "leisurely" pace. I would also like to teach my daughter to drive it. That being said, I know once I'm out on a ride with other machines you want to keep up. One of my dirtbike buddies is a very accomplished enduro dirtbike racer...he has been to the International Six Day Enduro on the US Junior trophy team and has a 50" machine. When I asked him about 50 vs 60" width, his advice was "the S is nice, but you just can't fit the same in the tight trails" he said he recently rode with some quys on sport quads and they where astonished that he was right there every time they stopped. He said he could get thru the trails with the 60" machine but he would have had to stop multiple times to k turn where the smaller machine just squeaked by....

all of that being said, the fact that I'm not out to win races but just have fun I could go either way. if I find a good deal on a "S" I'll jump on it and if not I'll consider a 50" with suspension modifications.

a little off topic: I'm a die hard 2 wheel guy, and when some of guys in our group started getting more into Jeeps and side x sides I made a movie for them.

I know it won't be as funny since you guys don't know the cast of characters, but it should be entertaining never the less....now, if I get a RZR they are going to have to make a movie about me...it's all good!

also towards the end there a reference to a go go bar in the woods we used to ride to....we used to call it go go hospice...where old dancers go to die.

Hopefully you guys see the humor (Warning Adult Language!)

 

From all that I have heard... I think you best get a 900 engine machine... I would look in that direction.

 

so far we have been talking mostly about machine width and suspension differences on 570/800 machines. why do you think that I should look at the 900? does the standard 900 come with different suspension compared to the smaller displacement machines?

it seems to me that the new 900 series machines are out of my price range? If money was not an issue I would buy a 900 XC (EPS, ProStar, 55" machine with Fox Suspension)....but unfortunately money is an issue!

 

sorry should have warned you.

 

From talking with numerous owners and mechanics... the 800 is not a very good/reliable engine, also the orientation of the transmission/belt of the 800 verses the 900 makes changing the belts a real pain. I know several friends that fixed their 800s just to sell off because of issues they have had, so beware in this regard. The 900 is a reliable engine, though all off them need their regular maintenance. I realize $s make a difference, but just do not let it bite you in the end.

 

I understand that the engine and tranny in the 570/900 have "newer technology" so if they are both more reliable and easier to service than the 800 why not give the nod to the 570 given my finances and tighter trails? I'm sure the 900 is the better motor when the trail opens up and space permits.

unless going with the 900 standard gives you some kind of suspension advantage I'm unware of?

 

The 900 has so many flavors... regarding suspension options and such... not to mention all the aftermarket support and alterations that can be made. Example... I have a 900 50" trail... but if I want to, I can convert it to a 900 S with 56" and better suspension.

I do not really know anything about the 570s... thus no comment.

I would recommend trying to get the best 900 related machine that you can find... and overtime make it better... pick one that gives you the best options.

 

The 570 is a good machine and on tight trails it will keep up with the 900. The 900 does seem to have a better ride than the 570 but it will run you about $2000 more. I don't think you would be unhappy with the 570 for your planned use. I have 2 of them.

 

One thing to note on a 50" vs 60" is that for you to raise the 50" up with spacers and probably bigger tires to gain the clearance, you're also raising the center of gravity. There's a kid that rides with us in a 570 with spacers, 28" tires, lift, high clearance arms. He's a young kid so its pedal to the metal. He drives it pretty well, but the high center of gravity has put him on the side a few times. If you were me, or I were you, I'd get something 60" wide whether it be a long travel kit or an S model. And i'd put it on a trailer.

 

He is talking about riding with his wife and daughter. Just a guess but wife/daughter+tight trails probably doesn't equal pedal to the metal. A guy can tip over a 60 or 64 inch machine as well if they don't drive within the limits of the machine. Keeping them upright is all about the driver and I think katoom400 gets that.

 

Actually, I think this could be a poll question here for "Who made the 50inch mistake" when buying their first RZR? I know it was a mistake for me.

 

Im glad that most trails I ride are tight. Made my decision pretty simple. There are people around me that have 60" machines but they are limited to what they can ride. As mentioned, if you end up going the 570 route you could end up spending some money eventually to take care of the tires, suspension, and clearance issues depending on what terrain you ride. I have a lot of rocks to contend with so clearance was an issue. New tires and shocks fixed the problem and im now over 12" of clearance and having a blast with my 570. Good luck.

 

I think I'm leaning 50" with lift and wheel spacers....a 60" machine isn't out of the question but I think less is more for my trail system.

I know a lot of people ride where it is more open/fast and wouldn't even consider a 50" machine. Sure I have some power line trails that I could really open it up on but for most part I'm riding on quad trail.

 

I ride lots of woods, making my own trails, and get into some really tight situations with trees and creek banks. I can tell you my S went everywhere that my original standard 50" went . But the 50" wouldn't go everywhere the S could go.

 

Baloney... the 50" can go where the S can go and more... I went through some very close trees and the S had to find another way around... Now, maybe and only maybe, because of the bit extra clearance, you can/might be able to get through some deep mud and some big rocks better, but nothing stopped my 50" with an outing in mud, rocks, climbs and such...

 

Baloney?? HaHa... I've had both machines, S and 50" at the same time for 2 yrs. Off the top of my head I can think of at least 5 rutted and or steep banks my 50" said no to, And the wider S model just laughed at. If you say Baloney, then you ain't ridin stuff I ride.

 

And I've owned both and I agree with you. Hey if you want a standard rzr, get one. That's fine but there is not much real comparison between the two for suspension and stability. Anyone saying the 50" is as good or close to a 60".....just ridiculous.