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I was in the Big Horn National Forest this weekend and I got a warning from the Ranger when my stock trail 900 measured 51 1/2 inches. He said they are all over 50 inches. I bought it just for the 50 inch trails.
Has anyone else had this issue. I had never measured it before but he was right. Apparently it's just the Polaris trail 900, not the 800s, not the 570s, not Cam Am, not Artic Cat.
He said if he sees me on a 50 inch trail I will get a ticket.
What the heck Polaris?
 

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I was in the Big Horn National Forest this weekend and I got a warning from the Ranger when my stock trail 900 measured 51 1/2 inches. He said they are all over 50 inches. I bought it just for the 50 inch trails.

Has anyone else had this issue. I had never measured it before but he was right. Apparently it's just the Polaris trail 900, not the 800s, not the 570s, not Cam Am, not Artic Cat.

He said if he sees me on a 50 inch trail I will get a ticket.

What the heck Polaris?


Evidently this has been known since they came out, but Polaris still chooses to market them as 50”.

Yours is the first time I’ve heard of somebody being stopped. We’ve talked to a couple of Rangers in a different area and they didn’t care as long as it wasn’t one of the non trail models.

I will be following this closely. Going by the letter of the text, the Ranger is right. Hopefully it’s an individual perspective and not a policy being implemented by the FS


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I was stopped a few years ago up in the big horns. The ranger took out his tape measure and told me I was too wide also.

I explained to him that it depends on whether or not the suspension is compressed. I told him the A arms are on a pivot, the more you compress the machine, the wider they get. I walked to the front of my machine, lifted up on the bumper which unloaded the suspension, and had him measure again. It was 50". He felt dumb, but thanked me for explaining it to him.

If it fits through the gates they have on the trails, you will be fine.

I have been riding up there every year since 2005 and have never had issues.
 

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I was stopped a few years ago up in the big horns. The ranger took out his tape measure and told me I was too wide also.

I explained to him that it depends on whether or not the suspension is compressed. I told him the A arms are on a pivot, the more you compress the machine, the wider they get. I walked to the front of my machine, lifted up on the bumper which unloaded the suspension, and had him measure again. It was 50". He felt dumb, but thanked me for explaining it to him.

If it fits through the gates they have on the trails, you will be fine.

I have been riding up there every year since 2005 and have never had issues.
I have been riding up there since 2009 and I also have never had an issue. That wouldn't have worked with this Ranger. He knew how suspension works. I couldn't have picked it up enough to get it under 50" unless I had a jack. I looked up the regulations and they say "50 inches at the widest point"
It's not going to fine if that Ranger catches you on a 50" trail.
 

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Polaris has been getting very "creative" with their specifications lately. When the Rzr 900 Trail came out Polaris advertised an "optimized trail width" on their web page. Well, it turns out that an "optimized trail width" for a 50" trail is actually 51.5" wide. But Polaris still sells it as a 50" wide UTV, to be used on trails that allow a machine up to 50" wide.

When Polaris released the 2018 Rzr RS1 they stated in the specs that it had 16" of suspension travel. When the 2019 Rzr RS1 came out, the specs had changed, and Polaris specs stated that it had 23" of suspension travel. That is a huge increase is suspension travel from one year to the next, especially considering that nothing was changed on the machine. The only thing that had changed was that Polaris decided to measure from the bottom of the tire at full suspension droop to the bottom of the skid plate, and call that "usable suspension travel", instead of telling you actual suspension travel.

When Polaris released the 2020 Rzr XP Pro this year they stated in the specs that it has 22" of "usable suspension travel". Well, it turns out Polaris is playing the same tricks with their specifications, because actual suspension travel is about 2" less than that.

Polaris needs to get a new person in charge of marketing, and stop playing games with their specifications to make things look better than they are. All it is doing is making it so that you don't believe anything Polaris says in their specifications.
 

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We were also stopped and measured a year ago. Same deal 51 1/2 on 900. 570 ok no problem. FS ranger is mad a Polaris for not being truthful. He let us go because we had stock wheels and tires.
 

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The 900S is supposed to be 60 inches wide, but they measure a little over 61. Been that way since day one. I guess it's a Polaris thing
 

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I just cannot believe it’s come down to this. A ranger all worked up over such a tiny measurement. Sounds like a few of the idiots I’ve ran in to up here. Seriously what damage will you cause with 1.5”? Were you intoxicated, were you driving like a crazy person, were you driving off the trail? If the answer is No then they need to chill out. Wtf


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Well that is pretty nitpicky for sure. But... if you know the law is 50", why not design the machines to be 48 or 49 to give a little leeway. Would that be such a great loss of performance?

I think that in time the restriction is going to get opened up. Probably get changed to 62. What I think is odd is that in the Black Hills, the WY side is 50", the SD side is 62 or 64". At Halsey NE in the national forest, the restriction is 62". But there's still an old sign on the far south end that says 50".
 

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Well that is pretty nitpicky for sure. But... if you know the law is 50", why not design the machines to be 48 or 49 to give a little leeway. Would that be such a great loss of performance?



I think that in time the restriction is going to get opened up. Probably get changed to 62. What I think is odd is that in the Black Hills, the WY side is 50", the SD side is 62 or 64". At Halsey NE in the national forest, the restriction is 62". But there's still an old sign on the far south end that says 50".


Most of the trails in SD are Jeep trails, however there are parts around Nemo that are 50”.


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I had same issue in Bighorns in 2018. Ranger measured width at 51”. My lift narrowed it a bit. Didn’t give me a ticket and wanted me to file a report with Polaris hoping that with enough input they would make a correction. I have contacted Polaris and they assure me they are 50” legal. I haven’t heard of this being a problem other places so I suspect we are running into the same ranger. He told me the FS was talking to Polaris about it. The forest service told me the state controls those things in WY so maybe it’s just WY. They weren’t entirely familiar with the details but seemed to stand behind the strict 50” measurement however. If I ran into that problem too much, I might see if some 5+1 offset wheels would do it. If they’re available. Or 6+1. Stock wheels are about 4 1/2+ 1 1/2.
 

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I just cannot believe it’s come down to this. A ranger all worked up over such a tiny measurement. Sounds like a few of the idiots I’ve ran in to up here. Seriously what damage will you cause with 1.5”? Were you intoxicated, were you driving like a crazy person, were you driving off the trail? If the answer is No then they need to chill out. Wtf


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Seems like if it fits through their 50" gates it's OK. This is like giving someone a speeding ticket for 1mph over. Richard Cranium ranger gotta be a Richard Cranium ranger. Hopefully this is not the new breed infiltrating land management agencies to run with their personal agendas.
 

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I agree. There weren’t gates where I was but was told some of the trail bridges are only 50” wide. I didn’t come across any of those either so can’t verify that. I’ve been through 50” gates in AZ and Utah with no problem but did rub the tires on both sides in AZ once.
 

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I agree. There weren’t gates where I was but was told some of the trail bridges are only 50” wide. I didn’t come across any of those either so can’t verify that. I’ve been through 50” gates in AZ and Utah with no problem but did rub the tires on both sides in AZ once.


Trail 430 has a number of bridges.


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I agree. There weren’t gates where I was but was told some of the trail bridges are only 50” wide. I didn’t come across any of those either so can’t verify that. I’ve been through 50” gates in AZ and Utah with no problem but did rub the tires on both sides in AZ once.


Trail 430 has a number of bridges.


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I have had my machine on Trail 430 numerous times (one of our favorites) and fit through gate and bridges just fine.

I adjusted my shocks this weekend to the stiffest setting, RZR now measures 50 1/4". That should be good enough but I won't know for sure until I run into Ranger Richard, probably next summer.
 
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