Dude..there are so many aftermarket synth ropes WAY better. Amsteel is the gold standard.

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How much 1/4" 7700lb Amsteel fits on the 4500lb winch?

 

Ya know this is why I don't like synthetic winch ropes... It's nice that they are smooth operating and lighter weight but they break so easily. Mine broke during only the 3rd or 4th use, none of which were anything heavy (much lower load than the winch/rope is rated for) and despite the fact I have taken perfect care of it, never allowing it to rub or brush on anything, etc. it just snapped.

I'm former military and now own the Sandtown ATV Ranch and have seen so many synthetic ropes just snap under far lower load than the winch (and thus the rope) should be rated for, despite perfect handling and operation by the user. On the other hand I have never, not even once in 20+ years seen a steel cable break that wasn't attributable to operator error, incorrect usage, or severe overloading.

 

Wow, I just went out to get the broken end (about 7') of my rope to look at it. I also looked up inside trying to find the other end which is somewhere on the still almost full spool on the winch and while looking for it I realized that the sides on the drum on my winch are CRACKED in numerous places all the way around. They all start near the center of the drum and goes outward to the edge, about 5 of them all the way around. WTF?!? I've only used this winch like 3 times, the first was to pull out a stuck CanAm and it wasn't actually stuck, just wouldn't start so was an easy straight pull. The second was to winch a backboard up a hill with a 180lb man on it who'd rolled his ATV and broke his tibia and punctured his lungs, the hill was so steep and so slick the paramedics could not walk to carry the backboard up the hill once he was strapped to it so we used a tree strap throught he handles at the upper end and I hooked my winch to it and used it to pull the board wit him on it up the hill so all they had to do was to hold it off the ground, again very easy straight pull. Today I was pulling a kids RZR 170 up a hill that it couldn't climb up (was just spinning the rear tires on loose soil), no one was in it, just the kids dad walking beside it reaching in steering it. Again an easy straight pull. That's the grand total of how much my winch has had to be used.

Anyone know what the warranty is on a Pure Polaris winch?

 

Anyone know what the warranty is on a Pure Polaris winch?

Call China. It's a POS winch. Warn stopped making them years ago.

I figured something was wrong....They don't break that easy. Amsteel is better than what comes on it, but it won't survive cracks.

Good luck. That's why I buy Warn.

 

I agree about the winch. I like my XT30, but it don't take much to break the line. There is a little screw on the end of the line at one side of the drum.

One good thing about rope, it does not hold energy. When mine breaks, it don't snap like cable, it falls straight to the ground. Don't have to worry about a slap.


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One good thing about rope, it does not hold energy. When mine breaks, it don't snap like cable, it falls straight to the ground. Don't have to worry about a slap.

There's a bunch of reasons to use it, but you have to use it properly.

1) Everything on your drum has to be smooth
2) No ROLLER Fairleads!! The rope can pinch in the corners...use SMOOTH BILLET fairleads
3) USE Rock Savers on the line or carry one...it can NOT rub when winching.
4) When you attach to the drum, Don't use the "pill"!! Just tie a knot at the end.
5) Safety. When steel cable breaks..it's DANGEROUS...ALWAYS use a winch weight or get everyone away from the pull direction. ALWAYS wear your helmet on an ATV when winching. With Synth rope....there is no kinetic energy, so the rope will just fall to the ground.

6) BEST REASON OF ALL......When breakage occurs in the field with steel..you're done. With Synth?....JUST TIE a KNOT!! Tie the two ends together and keep going. Sure..you have to replace it....but it will still get you out.

 

Just unmounted the winch, the rope snap is on the opposite side from the cracked drum but I can see other parts of the rope against that drum do show some signs of threads. Three cracks total on the left side of the drum. What the heck could have caused this on such a little used winch?

 

Warn is another Pile Of chit that should not be used. Most of the new ones have plastic gears that I have seen strip at a very critical moment. I now have the viper 12k winch on mine. Have yet to mount it due to being out of town but it should handle the work.

 

Warn is another Pile Of chit that should not be used. Most of the new ones have plastic gears that I have seen strip at a very

XT and RT do not have plastic gears. Prove it.

 

the rope usually just goes in a hole in the drum with possibly a small metal plug to hold it in place until its wound over. i`ve had one warn winch with cable this way and i just replaced with rope,i pushed the rope thru the hole then looped the end back into the hole. now as far as ropes go ive only used amsteel or spider rope and i believe both are rated 1000-1300 lbs more burst strength then cable of same size. i normally just try and use 1/4 in. not 3/16ths. we had a lifted quad so stuck one time that when trying to pull out with a 1 ton 4wd gmc pick up it slid the truck sideways on pavement and didnt break the rope. it went from blue to white from the tension on it tho,went back to light blue after the pull. as far as your winch,i`d be raising some hell with some one!

 

I'm even more annoyed now. I was told this was a 4500lb winch and my papers for it say "4,500 Pure Polaris Standard Winch Kit" but now that I have it out in the open I just realized that the decal on it says "Polaris 3500". I know it all came as one kit with the winch and the mounting kit for the XP900 all together but this is the first time I have seen it out of the XP.

OK, I'm going to Polaris tomorrow to hopefully get them to exchange this thing. Does anyone know what other Warn or Polaris winches will fit the XP using the same mounting holes that line up for this winch? I'm gonna try and get them to give me a 4000 or 4500 like I was supposed to get in the first place. I think they now have kits on the showroom floor that say "4500HD", will those fit into the same mounting holes this one came out of? If I remember right they also have the Polaris 3500HD and a couple of sizes of Warn winches in stock. If I can get them to exchange it at all I'm sure I will have to take whatever they have in stock so I'd like to know what my best option is that will fit from what they are likely to have.

 

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OK, I'm going to Polaris tomorrow to hopefully get them to exchange this thing. Does anyone know what other Warn or Polaris winches will fit the XP using the same mounting holes that line up for this winch? I'm gonna try and get them to give me a 4000 or 4500 like I was supposed to get in the first place. I think they now have kits on the showroom floor that say "4500HD", will those fit into the same mounting holes this one came out of? If I remember right they also have the Polaris 3500HD and a couple of sizes of Warn winches in stock. If I can get them to exchange it at all I'm sure I will have to take whatever they have in stock so I'd like to know what my best option is that will fit from what they are likely to have.

When you have the old winch off, turn it over and make a template of the four holes in a piece of thin cardboard. You can do it just by poking a screwdriver through the cardboard into the current mounting holes. Then you can put it up against any others to see if they match. Also, know the length of the one you have now and how much longer one would fit.

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i believe the 4500s have a larger bolt spacing most times. does your mounting plate have 2 sets of holes?

 

Looks like only one set of holes.

I wonder what the difference is between this 3500 and the new 3500HD version?
Yea, I know the HD stands for Heavy Duty but I wonder what they actually changed or upgraded? Anyone know?

 

Just get a refund and get a 5000 pound Viper Max. Money well spent, stronger than it needs to be and they are a supporting vendor!!!!

 

I've had mine just under 5 months, since just after I bought my XP so I'm hoping they have at least a 6 month warranty but I'm sure they would not give me a refund, only an exchange anyway. Besides that if I did get a refund I'd get a Warn XT probably, not a Viper for sure, I have a two friends with Vipers right now with stripped-out Engage/FreeSpool switches and know a couple of others who have been here to the ranch with the same problem. Seems to be an issue with the Vipers. I was told this Polaris was made by Warn but I'm not so sure now that it's out where I can see it, and if it's not then that keeps Warns track record perfect, I've never seen a Warn winch fail that wasn't being badly abused/neglegcted and that's in 20+ years of using them. Maybe someone somewhere with one that has but I've never seen a genuine Warn fail. I thought this was the first when I rememberd Polaris saying it was made by Warn but it's backwards from a Warn so I'm kinda doubting that now.

 

What amsteel rope r yall running, I have the 30xt warn winch, jw what rope would be best for it when time to replace ?

 

Well, they showed me on a seperate ticket where they had refunded the difference between the 4500 I originally paid for and a 3500 because the installer realized the mounting plates for the 4500 wouldn't fit. It was hidden in amongst about $1500 worth of other stuff I'd bought the following day on a seaperate ticket. So I only paid $326 which is the correct price for our cost on the 3500.

The original 3500 though has been discontinued and replaced with the 3500HD which is what they exhcnaged it for. Oddly enough though the new one is designated "HD" for Heavy Duty, it's only listed as having a .75 HP motor where as the original had a 1.25HP motor. So go figgure. Not sure what makes it HD in that case unless the gears are stronger. I can see the side plates are black powdercoated instead of bare potmetal like on the old one so I'm wondering if they are now steel, you usually don't tend to powdercoat potmetal.


Anyone else know the differences?


I took this one since it's what they had which would fit and we are going to the annual spring rally at Byrd's Adventure Center this weekend but said if I'm not happy with it let them know and they will order me a Warn 4.0 XT and swap with me next week after the rally if I want, they just couldn't get the Warn in before we leave for the rally.

 

I took this one since it's what they had which would fit and we are going to the annual spring rally at Byrd's Adventure Center this weekend but said if I'm not happy with it let them know and they will order me a Warn 4.0 XT and swap with me next week after the rally if I want, they just couldn't get the Warn in before we leave for the rally.

The mounting holes for the XT40 will be different, you will most likely need a new mount.

Also, you seen the weather forecast for this wknd? ive been looking forward to the byrds rally like always, have only missed one in 7 years... but this wknd aint looking to great. If i still had my toy hauler it wouldnt be an issue. But i hate putting up a tent in a thunderstorm :rollfinger:... you gonna go regardless?

 

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Sounds like an honest dealer.

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i have the 3500 polaris old style i reckon. Used the heck out of it. No issues.......

I didnt know Byrds was having a deal this weekend....Just about 30min from me

 

Yup spring rally Every year, second weekend in March and the Fall rally every year, second weekend in October... We always have fun, big group of us go

 

The older Polaris winches were made by MileMarker (milemarker.com)
my 09 had a 'polaris' 3500lb, I am waiting on MileMarker to send me a new engage/freespool knob, cause that pos just broke.
The winch has held out good for 2 years, but i just stripped it on the bench to clean it, and it was half full of green sandy shit and muck.
cleaned it up good, but we'll see.
I have all kinds of winches laying around, bust in half, burned up.etc. they all break, even my Warn is split open.

 

I am wondering if maybe the cable piling up against the outside of the drum caused it to split...maybe you winched on an angle? just an idea, but it's all I got

 

I am wondering if maybe the steel cable piling up against the outside of the drum caused it to split...maybe you winched on an angle? just an idea, but it's all I got

You mean me? Mine had synthetic rope.

 

Wow, seems to be several of us from Arkansas, we should all get together sometime. If storms cause us to call off for this weekend then we're still planning on going next weekend, maybe Byrd's (actually the NF across the Hwy) on Saturday and Mill Creek on Sunday.

I live in Batesville and have the Sandtown Ranch where we do a loit of free ATV/SxS rides here and then my brother lives in Fort Smith so we're all the time going all over the state and beyond.

 

And also screw that synthetic rope. Who's breaking cables with their rzr? Every synthetic rope thread here has a story of breaking. But I haven't heard one cable break story. Maybe if I look harder I will. But the ropes are always breaking. Is it worth the headache and expense. Just my two cents.

 

True..steel cables don't seem to snap...It's kinda nice not to get stabbed in the fingers with burrs though. My synthetic is the original from 2009, I havent broke it yet, and I winch steady. but then I have a winch on the back also, with steel cable and there's nothing wrong with IT either.

 

Yes, the cables are snapping. I was stuck at Marde Gras at River Run in East Texas a couple weeks back. I tried to go around a hole but slipped in on the driver side. TWO cables broke trying to winch me out. I finally had to use my own Polaris/Warn with factory rope to pull myself out. Didnt want to do this in the first place because the only available tree was on my left which meant 2 people had to hold my RZR up from laying over while winching.

Ropes are safer and stronger BUT you cannot use rollers, must NOT let them rub when winching, and are not supposed to use blocks with them. However, I pull mine out and clean it after ever ride because we ride water/mud. I use a set of 8 ton blocks that I have polished and put a washer on the outside to close the gap next to the pulley so that the rope will not fall in and get pinched.

Not knocking cables... used them for ever with chokers in the logging woods and on my jeeps and my toyota. But when I'm sitting in the cab of my RZR looking straight down the rope line, I'm glad its not cable. :scared2:

And like someone said above, you break it you just tie a knot and replace another day.

Ive used MileMarkers, Warn and am still running a Gorilla from ebay on my dad's 3010 Mule that works great. My next will be a Viper as I have seen them work and a 3500 next to my Polaris/Warn will outpull it.

Just my 2 cents... to each their own or we would all be the same!

 

.........BUT you cannot use rollers............

Interesting that you say that; I use a roller fairlead, but one with NO GAPS where the rollers meet the main body of the fairlead, thereby eliminating ANY possibility of the rope getting pinched or tearing. I've had NO problems. Just FWIW...........

Cheers

 

I don't know why the one guy thinks synthetic holds more weight, maybe if it was the same diameter as the rope but synthetic rope on any given winch size will be thinner than the cable for the same size winch and the fact is I have seen synthetic ropes break time and time again BELOW the rated amount for them or the winch, I have never seen a steel cable break unless someone was abusing it by pulling far MORE than the actual rated amount, a lot more. Steel cables usually will take 2x to 4x the amount they are rated for depending on the original size of the winch.

As for safer, if they break synthetics are generally safer though I did see someone get face-slapped by one once and it was still a decent cut though certainly much better than cable so whoever thought they just "fell to the ground" when they broke, that's not always true. It was a Jeep sized rope not an ATV rope but it is proof that they don't always just fall to the ground.


Another time they are not safe is I watched a Jeep roll over once becasuse the synthetic roppe broke at what everone estimated to be far less than the rope or the winches 10,000lb rating. The Jeep was in a precarious position and the synthetic rope was brought from a vehicle from the side just to prevent it from sliding off further sideways, the Jeeps own 8,000lb winch with steel cable was doing the actual pulling. The 10k synthetic rope snapped and the Jeep went over sideways putting a heck of a sudden yank on it's own 8k steel cable yet it didn't break. The Jeep was messed up because of it, rolled over and left hanging by it's own cable (thank goodness or it'd have fell all the way to the bottom of a revine) and one guy nearly got killed. The smaller rated steel cable held more weight and even under a harsh jerk where the synthetic rope with a higher rating faled and it wasn't even in that much of a strain and was brand new, hadn't rubbed on anything or had any damage, it just streached and failed.

 

Well I think I'll stick with my steel cable and a pair of leather gloves. Lol. It's the same thing with carbon fiber. People say it's stronger than steel. I was dropping the kids off at school just this morning,and some disco nip pulled up along side me with a carbon fiber hood. There was a big chunk out of the corner,where the hood meets the fender near the windshield. Me,being the inquisitive type,asked what happened,he said he closed his hood on a ratchet. Steel may have bent,but I don't think it would just snap off like that.

 

wow!

 

There's also shear strengths that aren't accounted for. Look call me old fashioned,I've been a carpenter/contractor for 29 years. When they came out with plastics in the building industry,I had my reservations. I've grown to appreciate them for what they are. But by no means do they have the same characteristics of wood or steel. The thing that finally turned me to accept it was how it weathers and lasts for virtually forever. So I use it when I want something to look good. But not for strength. Trends come and go. Rope is rope and steel cable is steel cable. If I can cut it with a knife or chafe it on a rock to break it,then I'm not using it. If these things cost so much and can easily be compromised then why bother. Pull a cable tight right next to a rope,give me some scissors and the one I can cut I'm not using,period.

 

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I have a Viper Max 4500 and IMO the winch comes with to much cable and being you can't see it when spooling it in you can overlap and blow the spool. The first time I used my winch the cable wound over itself inside the spool and I couldn't get it to release afterwards. That's when I pulled the winch out and removed some of the cable, 15'. I carry a 20' strap to make up for the lack of cable. No rope for me!....Just my 2 cents.

 

The first thing I did with my Viper Max 4500 is cut 15' of cable off. IMO the winch comes with to much cable and being you can't see it when spooling it in you can overlap and blow the spool. The first time I used my winch the cable wound over itself inside the spool and I couldn't get it to release afterwards. That's when I pulled the winch out and removed some of the cable. I carry a 20' strap to make up for the lack of cable. No rope for me!....Just my 2 cents.

I have big nylon straps with heavy canvas wraps that I used when I was building that I do the same with. I forget the math,but every wrap on the spool decreases the winches pulling capacity significantly.

 

You "wire rope" (steel cable) guys amuse me; you're all living, naively, in the last century. The early part of the last century, at that! As a life-long rock-climber, who has climbed and rappelled-down every major class-six slab of rock on the west coast, I'd like to have a nickel for every time I've trusted my life, not just some piddly-ass dirt-toy, to a length of synthetic rope; I'd be a rich man! It would be laughable to see you show-up for a climb with a spool of steel cable looped over your shoulder! It would be even funnier to watch you trying to rappel down a face with a steel cable (wire rope)! Wake-up and come to class all you naysayers; synthetic rope has all but replaced steel cable in SOOOO many applications. Properly handled, applied, and maintained, it has proven superior to it's steel counterpart in almost every way. 'Course some guys are so stuck in the past that they're still driving a '60's-era Chevy, type all their letters on an Underwood, don't own an IPad, an IPhone, or a laptop, and still believe that the Earth is flat; the salt of America!.....................LOL

Cheers

 

Were talking about a 1000lb plus my 225lb and gear not a single person. I've scaled a few slabs in my youth. And that's were synthetic ropes belong,not on a piece of equipment. And those climbing ropes are rated at what,1500 lbs or so right?