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Well, I pulled the trigger on Airdams complete "race" setup. We are headed to the OR coast dunes this weekend and currently have AA's S3 clutch setup that we will run the first day or two then swap the entire clutch setup to the Airdam and compare back to back.

Adam did say that my "style" of riding did not require his full race setup, he was pretty confident his standard clutch kit would work but I told him I wanted the absolute best so we went to the full setup.

Going to be very interesting getting to compare these setups back to back..

We will compare AA's S3 with the "high load" helix, AA's S3 with the "performance" helix and then Airdams full race setup with a modified stock primary and a full billet secondary.

We will be there for 5 days so we have lots of time to test and tinker with stuff. Also have Hunterworks blow hole and Desertcrafts fan setup to compare.

This is on a brand new 2019 XPT 4 seat. Im new to the RZR world so I have a BIG learning curve ahead of me learning how to tune it .
 

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Are you going to have the new setup in time? Supposedly I’m on his build list and been waiting two weeks now. Interested to hear how your setup does though.


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I love mine & wish I would have done it from the beginning . The first primary I sent to him took over 6 weeks, but he was in the middle of race prep for the teams & I wasn't expecting any sooner. The second one I sent in was at his place less than 4 weeks and is on the way back.
My 16 has always been a belt eater, even with everything AA offers for the 16installed & tuned, I averaged less than 200 miles per belt, and would smoke a belt if I tried to run sustained speed over 55 for any length of time.
Ive got 400 hard miles on Airdams complete setup and a lot of that was at sustained speeds of 65-70 for 10-15 miles at a time. So far I am very happy, I have not had it in the dunes yet but will be going to Oregon dune fest so hopefully no issues.
i am very interested in your results.
 

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I run the full race Airdam setup and swear by it, regardless I look forward to someone doing a true comparison. My comparison was more of this kit my belt temps are still high and belts break, put Airdam in and look at that belt temps down considerably and no longer breaking belts. Sold!

Also is tuned correctly and holds rpms where they need to be, though that wasn’t much of a problem with the other kits as well.

Looking forward to hearing your results. Especially when factoring in the fans as well.
 

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Im new to the RZR world but have been doing research the last three years as I saved up to get what I wanted. After I got our RZR a few months ago I finally decided just to get what "most" consider the best clutch setup there is, Airdam. Adam was great to talk to and he explained his theory's and why he does things the way he does. He actually tried to sell me just his "clutch kit", modified stock primary and parts for the stock secondary. I told him I just want to have the best and if its overkill for what Im doing thats fine so I went with the full race setup. Now I will have my complete stock clutch setup to compare to his complete setup back to back on the same day in the same conditions.


Airdam is the ONLY clutch setup you RARELY hear bad things about. All the others almost seem to be 50/50 on people being happy with them. Yes, his stuff costs more but thats fine if it works. He also does more then just sell you some weights, springs and possibly a helix. I think the main problem with the other kits is they try to make them work for WAY to big a window of rigs and their particular setups. Take AA's kit for example, they use the same weights and helix for stage 1 to 4, does not matter if you ride dunes, fire roads, mud, trails, etc they sell you the same clutch kit and tell you to tune it with weight...... Yes, you can adjust the weights but springs and helixes should be tailored to the HP level AND the type of use. "One size fits all" does not work with CVT systems. I learned that in the sled world. Adam asked questions for 10 minutes trying to get a picture of how I ride, where we ride, how our rig is set up etc.

Bottom line is the CVT system seems to be most peoples biggest complaint so I want to try and avoid the problems and just do it right from the start.
 

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Im new to the RZR world but have been doing research the last three years as I saved up to get what I wanted. After I got our RZR a few months ago I finally decided just to get what "most" consider the best clutch setup there is, Airdam. Adam was great to talk to and he explained his theory's and why he does things the way he does. He actually tried to sell me just his "clutch kit", modified stock primary and parts for the stock secondary. I told him I just want to have the best and if its overkill for what Im doing thats fine so I went with the full race setup. Now I will have my complete stock clutch setup to compare to his complete setup back to back on the same day in the same conditions.


Airdam is the ONLY clutch setup you RARELY hear bad things about. All the others almost seem to be 50/50 on people being happy with them. Yes, his stuff costs more but thats fine if it works. He also does more then just sell you some weights, springs and possibly a helix. I think the main problem with the other kits is they try to make them work for WAY to big a window of rigs and their particular setups. Take AA's kit for example, they use the same weights and helix for stage 1 to 4, does not matter if you ride dunes, fire roads, mud, trails, etc they sell you the same clutch kit and tell you to tune it with weight...... Yes, you can adjust the weights but springs and helixes should be tailored to the HP level AND the type of use. "One size fits all" does not work with CVT systems. I learned that in the sled world. Adam asked questions for 10 minutes trying to get a picture of how I ride, where we ride, how our rig is set up etc.

Bottom line is the CVT system seems to be most peoples biggest complaint so I want to try and avoid the problems and just do it right from the start.
Agree on all except 1 statement lol, “Airdam is the ONLY clutch setup you RARELY hear bad things about.”

I have yet to hear anyone complain about the Airdam clutch, except for the price of course but not the results.
 

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I've heard two people complain about Airdam but I just attribute them to being the type that are never happy with anything, have totally unrealistic expectations or are the type that just hammer on things and expect them to live because they spent money.


At the power and weight ratios these RZR's are at these days its actually kind of amazing a CVT system that was pretty much designed to move a 550 to 650 lb snowmobile with 90 to 150 hp is now moving a 1400 to 2000lb rzr with sometimes over 200 hp... In my opinion it is time for Polaris to figure out a new drive system.
 

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I've heard two people complain about Airdam but I just attribute them to being the type that are never happy with anything, have totally unrealistic expectations or are the type that just hammer on things and expect them to live because they spent money.


At the power and weight ratios these RZR's are at these days its actually kind of amazing a CVT system that was pretty much designed to move a 550 to 650 lb snowmobile with 90 to 150 hp is now moving a 1400 to 2000lb rzr with sometimes over 200 hp... In my opinion it is time for Polaris to figure out a new drive system.
Couldn’t agree more... I truly hate the cvt system and would love a true direct drive transmission.
 

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I'm excited to hear your review on the airdam clutch setup, i have been thinking about this one for a while. Thanks for posting this. Can you elaborate on what he does to modify the stock primary clutch, do you need to send it to him.
 

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I know he puts a billet end plate on. He does other things but I don't know exactly what they are. He will do your own clutch or you can buy a new one already done. I bought a new one so I can just swap the whole clutch out quickly to compare.
 

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Adam sent me a tracking number this afternoon so its all up to UPS not to lose it now..lol…

Really looking forward to doing a direct comparison between the different clutch setups. Hopefully I learn a lot AND one of the setups works really well. We shall see.
 

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Got a few short rides in today. First time out the setup was AA's S3 kit with the high load helix. Ran at 8700.... Ran back to camp and put the performance helix in, went down to 8600. This was with 4/3/2/0 on the weights.

Sat and thought about it for a while, it just did not seemed "hooked up". Then it dawned on me I had 12 psi in the rear paddles. Went down to 10 psi, rpm went down to 8500 and it accelerated much better. Then went down to 9 psi and it floats between 8400-8500. How much lower psi can I safely go? They are Sandcraft Paddles (scat trak makes them) 31x11x15 10 paddle on Sandcraft NON beadlock rims...

So far highest belt temp was 171 on the Hunterworks gauge. I have not been able to just hold it wide open forever but I tried to beat on it a bit and 171 was the highest ever.. Stock Polaris belt.


Is 8400 the sweet spot rpm wise?


For reference I have a HMF exh, AA stage 1 tune, AA charge tube and intake tube, Blow hole and AA blow off valve. Everything else engine wise is stock. Has 27 miles on it now.

So far I am of the opinion I should have went with 32x13x15 11 paddle or at least 11 paddle on the 31's.... It just seems to not "load" the engine. It just spins.

More testing on the AA setup tomorrow, prob will try 4/4/2/0 to see if it will settle at 8400.. Then I will put in the Airdam setup.
 

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Airdam doesn’t recommend 32” paddles on the turbo Rzr. Says it isn’t geared low enough in the transmission. He recommends 30” paddles. I personally won’t go below 10 psi without beadlocks. I rather have enough air then lose a bead in the middle of dunes.

I believe sweet spot is in the 8400-8600 range. Once you start getting above that power drops.

171 belt temp is pretty dang good, what was outside air temp?
 
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