That's how the retail world works unfortunately.. Just look how bad it is with gadgets/electronics/smart phones..

 

A factory turbo'd 1000, and the best they can provide off the showroom floor is 121 hp? Seems a bit of a waste of turbo technology, if you ask me. Full power up to 5,000', that's it? Sure, tuners can probably get more, but I'm sure that voids your warranty, so what's the point of offering a factory turbo if you aren't going to answer the call for drastically improving hp? I think Can-am left a lot on the table for the other manufacturers, Polaris included, to trump them.

The RZR 1k motor was originally designed to run at 130+ hp, naturally aspirated, according to my dealer after long discussions with the engineers at the release of the 1k last summer. It was only after putting all the emissions required equipment on it that the hp numbers dropped to the original 107 number. I think the introduction to a factory turbo is a good step, but they fell short on providing a meaningful output.

My $0.02

 

I think can am did it the right way....they are baiting Polaris to release there specs, then Can am will up it. This cat and mouse game has been going on for several years in the automotive world. My guess is Polaris turbo will be 140-160 range, then cam am will match it.

 

they will have a factory turbo manual trans XP out in less then 12 months...you will all like it and want to sell your 1ks.

 

I can see them using a turbo,,, but not changing the CVT to a manual trans.

 

Pretty sure torque adds some performance value....Like 40% over the XP1...Also $4,000 Fox RC2s standard don't hurt..I think what they did is good for the SXS industry in general (raises the bar). FYI I drive an xp900 my dad has the Xp1 and my brother the wildcat, so I'm not a can am guy. I'm an Xp1/popo fan foresure but when someone steps up like can am did, i'm able to give props when due. They deserve it. Pretty sure rotax motors are fairly good and proven engines...lol. Can am's fit and finish lets be honest, is a step above. They lack the looks of the Xp1 period, the new suspension they introduced is still not proven in the publics eye or mine compared to the XP1. But running the drags or climbing olds, I'm pretty confident they'll take the checkered. Duning and handling the jury is still out...opcorn: my.02

 

I agree to a point. Kudos to them for breaking the ice with a factory turbo, but if you're going to have a turbo, why not have an impressive hp number? 40% more torque, but where in the power band? HP is really just torque multiplied by RPM, so if they've got 40% more torque, but less than 10% more peak hp, in a CVT driveline, that's gotta be an increased torque at a very low RPM, which makes me wonder how useful that is. If that big increase in torque is between 3500-4500 RPM, it's not real useful since we really don't spend much time in that RPM range. But maybe it works better than I think......time will tell. BRP isn't known for spot on clutching, so I'd expect to have to do a clutch kit right away to maximize performance. Maybe different cams to change the torque curve, etc. Should be interesting!

 

I think they will pull back the desert edition and slap a turbo on it to trump can am. I just posted it on another thread and saw this one lol.anyway watch the video on YouTube. The can am has paddles on it at 0:46 vs a 14 black pearl and a wildcat With bighorns. Then the rzr gets to the top of the hill and stops on the crest and gets stuck. Polaris will pull something out of there sleeve in 15 I think.

 

Oh i'm 100% sure they will at some point, hopefully sooner than later! But what's it gunna cost? I'm going watch video again, if what u say is true about the paddles thats bullshit on can ams part. The XP1 stuck on the hill thing, I'm sure your correct. I can overcome that but not them putting paddles on while racing nobbies...Good catch if true.

 

read above.....its been in the pipeline for 6 months already....you will see a turbo 1k with a whole different trans setup in less then 12 months.

 

Man I want to start my race build...
But man am I tempted to hold off....

PO PO gotta answer....

 

I am going to laugh my butt off at the first time a turbo mavrick runs into a boondocker xp1k:rofl3:

 

Pink slip ya says the CantAm guy! Haha :rofl3:

 

SO you guys criticizing CanAm at 121 HP. Don't you really thing Polaris could have went BIGGER when they went from 88hp to 107? Or how about 107hp to now 110hp? Of course polaris could have went MORE ... so why aren't you criticizing them??? All these manufacturers are doing the SAME thing... it's called incremental yearly increases so they can make more profit... get it?

121hp by can am is smart play, it puts them clearly at #1 in HP and they can easily add more year after year = mooooo money.

X2 it si really funny to read some post when people are criticing the Can Am for going just 121 HP, when with RZR you get only 110 HP. LOL You should be disapointed with Polaris who get beat again in power department by Can Am. IMO
milos

 

I think Polaris can and will stomp can am, but than can am will fire back with more power. that being said, i still prefer the Polaris body style, engine placement, and suspension design. It's a HP war, and HP wars are like middle eastern wars, they've been going on since the beginning of time and won't ever stop. I personally think a high HP motor that was ALL motor would be cool.

 

SO you guys criticizing CanAm at 121 HP. Don't you really thing Polaris could have went BIGGER when they went from 88hp to 107? Or how about 107hp to now 110hp? Of course polaris could have went MORE ... so why aren't you criticizing them??? All these manufacturers are doing the SAME thing... it's called incremental yearly increases so they can make more profit... get it?

121hp by can am is smart play, it puts them clearly at #1 in HP and they can easily add more year after year = mooooo money.

X2 it si really funny to read some post when people are criticing the Can Am for going just 121 HP, when with RZR you get only 110 HP. LOL You should be disapointed with Polaris who get beat again in power department by Can Am. IMO
milos

But we're talking apples and oranges here. 88 to 107 hp with a displacement increase alone (only 124cc's) is a fairly expected increase. When you throw a turbo on, I'd expect more than 20% increase in power. Anyone looking for a turbo would undoubtedly shy away from it if it only provided 20% more power. Heck, I've seen RZR builds that tout 160 hp, naturally aspirated. The turbo game is all about BIG power, and 20% increase (101-121 hp) isn't what I consider BIG power, not to justify a turbo.

It's the game, I agree. Beat the others by just enough to make a name, but leave a lot on the table to beat them again next year. It's all useless to me, until they can produce a turbo that is tuned to run in the mountains/trails I ride. I don't need any lag, and I like the 107 hp of my 1K just fine. More power would be fun from time to time, but if it's not controllable or useful, then it's a waste. Can't wait to see what transpires over the next couple years.

 

SO you guys criticizing CanAm at 121 HP. Don't you really thing Polaris could have went BIGGER when they went from 88hp to 107? Or how about 107hp to now 110hp? Of course polaris could have went MORE ... so why aren't you criticizing them??? All these manufacturers are doing the SAME thing... it's called incremental yearly increases so they can make more profit... get it?

121hp by can am is smart play, it puts them clearly at #1 in HP and they can easily add more year after year = mooooo money.

x2 the hp war is all about one battle....floor sales.

 

Ita great to see them put a turbo on factory but 121hp is still a joke for a turbo 1000. A mild turbo at 5-6 psi will put out 140+ all day long, so it's either a tiny turbo, or will have lag.

 

this

 

It is low hp for a turbo, but Big hp for off the showroom with full warranty, as Kalop said it will increase in increments for sales purposes.

 

look this turbo on Can Am just somehow support the theory we have here, that SXS will not go over 1000 cc for long time. That way only thing left is a probably turbo game. But those liter engines have a limit with turbo and will be stupid for any company goes to the limit on first try. You will see, if Polaris put turbo on RZR HP will be like 125 and slowly add more when needed up to the limit. Same will do the Can Am. How Kalop set they need to look for future profit. IMO
milos

 

Just watched the video, sure does look good! Gotta love the suspension, and it looks like it handles pretty well. Time will tell. Bring it on, manufacturer competition is what has made our SxS's so fricken awesome already.

I wonder how hot the cab will be with the motor right between the riders, and the intercooler right behind them. Also, their 4 seater is 146" long, and I thought the XP4 1000 was too long, and the Can Am 4 seater is 78" high, too high for a lot of trailers.....throw a roof on and now you'll need to special order a trailer. Interesting indeed.....also, for the racing crowd, will the rules allow a turbo? Clearly this is a dune specific design, that will undoubtedly see other areas too, but it's gonna be interesting to see how the industry and racing responds to it.

 

No real series, affiliated events, or national stand alone events allow forced induction.

 

Polaris has not done a New Year's release in a couple years....Will it be time again ?

 

We had a turbo Can Am running with our group one day at Dumont Dunes.
Beats a stock xp1000 up comp hill by just under a car length.
The Turbo Maverick had paddle tires and an experienced driver, the XP1000 stock tires and the guys wife driving.
So,, YOU make the call.

Not all that and you feel like you're sitting on it, not in it like in the Rzr. The Can Am turbo seats are outstanding, nice sounding too. Quality construction.

The Can Ams extra low-end power is cool and we'll certainly get the Polaris turbo when it comes out.

Over all sales are up on the full Can Am Line of Commander/Mavericks because of more interest bringing in more foot traffic to Can Am Showrooms we're told.
Everyone we know that went in to check out the Turbo Can Am either put a deposit on one, bought one, or bought some other Can Am product.
It's most definitely helping their image and sales.

They are nice,, but sitting IN our SxS's, not ON them is a main reason our group of Rzr owners keep buying Polaris.
The Turbo Maverick will most definitely cut into Polaris sales.
Price, comfort, styling, power,,,, showroom appeal of the Turbo Maverick,,,,, Polaris has to step it up a notch or Rzr sales will definitely drop in spite of the Mavericks drawbacks.

I know my wife doesn't have any problem throwing around my XP1k in the trails, so I'm guessing your suggesting the paddle tires resulted in 1 car length win? :ride:opcorn: The Wildcat offers the best seat height and suspension travel. Unfortunately, until they drop a factory (Suzuki) Z1 engine inside their proven chassis they're always going to be the follower. :scared2:

 

Will yhey be able to keep belts on it ?

 

Front cylinder exhaust runs right underneath the belt housing.....good question?

 

121 hp may not seem like a whole lot on a turbo'd rig, but they didn't need a whole lot. like it's been said, they are on top now, and that was their goal. I'm sure it also leaves them a lot of room for future increases without having to redesign the platform to handle it. Look at the power people are making on stock NA motors. there is usually a lot of room to play power wise.

 

Was a little surprised to see fox rc2 shocks on it with it's price point.

 

a well known desert racer has been testing one of these mavs and claims to have put over a 1000 beat it to death miles on it without 1 issue,belts ,motor,,tranny, suspension, etc etc.hmmmmmm.. uh oh. lol. maybe there will be no complaints at all except for the fact that all of our Polaris models just lost some value.:sad:

 

Said desert racer may have a reason to say no issues. Just saying. :shhh:

I am sure there were some racers that said the same thing about the XP1000.

Once thing a racer can not account for is the stupid stuff people attempt to do with these machines. You want to test durability, give it to some of the people we watch on youtube. If it can survive a month with some of them, it is a solid machine. LOL!

Really does not matter as Can Am owners are hush hush when it comes to any real issues that arise. They don't want to hurt Can Am's feelings and cover it up with the alleged best build quality argument and we have a Rotax. They are kind of like GM/Chevy owners who only talk about the Durmax/Alison motor and never discuss the real issues with the truck. :rofl3:

 

Sounds like their is a chance of a new sheriff coming to town LOL.

 

Polaris will only need to come in at about 130hp next year with their turbo and then the brands will leap frog eachother in 10hp increments each year. We are already in good power to weight ratio and it's only going to get better over the next few years.

 

It was nice for a while having the fastest stock sxs ('14 xp1k). The thoughts of a turbo sounds cool, but I can't open the throttle for very long on the trails I ride anyway (Hatfield McCoy and those similiar). But a manual transmission would be pretty awesome. I will drop down some cash for a new one if that happens. Otherwise, I will stick with my '14 and be as happy as can be.

 

Arctic Cat better start singing this song...When will I be loved....they have been down on hp. anyway,but now it is getting pitiful for them.