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I've been watching a few video's on the Tube and I have a few questions.

How would that engine do without being turbo'd right off the bat for a rzr?

Low speed, crawling, trail riding, rip roaring fun? I do alot of all of it.

climbing rocks, crawling on trails, sand pits, mud, water, wide open flat trails as well, plowing snow in the winter too :D

Does the engine still have the low end "grunt" it will need to crawling and climb effectively?

Prices:

1. Just the Apex ready to go into the rzr what is needed to swap it over?

2. Apex with turbo ready to go into the rzr.


Anyone have a video of a stock Apex in a rzr?

Sorry for the questions, but I'm trying to figure out which way to do when I'm ready to get a rzr... Either a rzr that needs an engine(salvage) or get a rzr and put a mcx on it.

Depending on cost!!!!!
 

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If you have to ask how much an Apex is you cant afford it.:rofl3: Dont think the long wheelbase of the Apex RZR would be good for rock climbing, prolly better of just getting a turbo.
 

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If you have to ask how much an Apex is you cant afford it.:rofl3: Dont think the long wheelbase of the Apex RZR would be good for rock climbing, prolly better of just getting a turbo.
Wow nice jab! I want to get an idea of the cost of it!! I was unaware that the apex equipped rzr needed the longer wheelbase. Scratch that idear then!
 

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If you have to ask how much an Apex is you cant afford it.:rofl3: Dont think the long wheelbase of the Apex RZR would be good for rock climbing, prolly better of just getting a turbo.
ouch. that was a bit of stereotyping. Gixxerguy might be loaded but not want to pay that huge markup price.
 

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If you have to ask how much an Apex is you cant afford it.:rofl3: Dont think the long wheelbase of the Apex RZR would be good for rock climbing, prolly better of just getting a turbo.
ouch. that was a bit of stereotyping. Gixxerguy might be loaded but not want to pay that huge markup price.
Ding Ding Ding...except for the loaded part..meh we all can't be rolling in the pennies like Dan :D ::jabback:: :D

I just found an apex with 2500 miles on it, the top has never been popped and runs good. $3k, not bad if I can find a rzr that needs an engine :D I might be able to find another engine through a few of my salvage connections as well. Not sure yet.
 

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Due to the ":rofl3:", I'm sure he was just kidding. You know the old saying...if you have to ask the price, don't bother. I'm sure he wasn't actually questioning anyone's finances.

Anyway, last I heard...for the complete turbo apex swap, stretched rear end, etc...the price was around $17,000.
 

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I wouldnt buy an apex motor on principle. My brain wont allow me to spend thousands and thousands on just a motor when i have nearly the exact same motor in my '05 R1 which i'm about to sell for book value ($6400) and guess what.......ITS GOT THE WHOLE IMMACULATE BIKE AROUND IT IN SHOW ROOM CONDITION.
 

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Well I wouldn't want the stretched frame so knock off 14k :D

If a swap is done it will be a vtwin swap. something with hp and tq. Now if I was more into sand and flat out shittin my pants speed then I would stretch and apex for sure, but I'm not.
 

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The one bike motor swap ive seen on here that caught my eye was the guy that put a v-twin out of a honda rc-51 in it. I'm like you....a high hp motor without the low end torque wouldn't do me much good.
 

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There are pros and cons with all modifications and engine swaps... the apex is no different.

I only ride on the sand dunes, and it has been a blast to drive.

One thing you don't realize untill you drive one is how different the rpm range is. On a RZR your clutch will engage around 1700rpm and you will be going 65ish at 6500rpm. My Apex is engaging at about 4000rpm and cruises around at 8000rpm, topping out with a rev limiter at 10,700rpm. There is a 37:30 gear reduction (1.233:1) on the output shaft to the primary, so it is not spinning as fast. It really takes a while to mentally get used to the sound and learn how to drive it. But because the clutch is bigger, it engages nice and smooth and drives well at both low and high speed. It just sounds like you are hauling azz at 6000rpm when you are just rolling through camp... LOL
 

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With the Apex you will get ultimate RZR no question about that. But I think it is more for dune riding then trail or rock climbing. But if you ride dunes lot , this is way to go. If I have dunes closer to have possibility to ride more I will go for it.
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I would also caution anyone that thinks they can do this swap themselves. It is not a weekend warrior project. I would hate to see someone try it and have a RZR sitting on blocks that wont run, or one that blows clutch belts. Getting the engine and clutch perfectly aligned and mounted is critical. A shop like MCX has invested in jigs to make that happen. MCX is not the only shop with the skills to do this swap, but an expert is definately needed in my opinion.

You also need to buy the entire Apex snowmobile. aside from the engine you will need the clutch, the wire harness, the gauge cluster, the relays, sensors, oil tank and hoses, cooling system and hoses, throttle bodies, fuel system, and lots of little things you wouldn't think of. Then you sell the rest of the sled for parts.

I know I wouldn't be able to make it work without an expert! LOL

 

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Milo and Cliff made it 100% correct, like Milo said it will better for dunning rater than trail riding or rock crawling,Cliff said it is not a weekend warrior project it take time,if i do trail riding or rock crawling i will either Turbo or Weber engine swap.
 

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You can trail ride or rock crawl with it.
it still has the stock AWD and low gear.
But there is no clutch cover, so mud and water is out.

The wheel base is still a lot shorter than a RZR-4, for comparison, and they can get around the rocks at Moab from what I have seen.
 

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wow. you guys make have made it sound like an even worse idea than i initially thought lol.
 

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We will get some more video at the Glamis Halloween gathering in about 10 days.

This was Gary playing around in 2wd:

 

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Trey brought one at the rally on rocks,i saw videos apex vs K&T turbo rzr,it is not a bad idea if somebody try it in trail riding or rock crawling.
 

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Price quoted to me was $18,500 and bring them my Rzr. I decided to go a different route after giving it some thought. My Rzr 4 fits in my toy hauler from cabinet to back door without a inch to spare. At the end of the day that is a crap ton of power i will never use. I'm looking to get about 110 to the rear wheels, and i'll more than happy.
 

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If you looking at 110 on the rear wheels go turbo,but 18,500 WOW.
 
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