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I want to thank GMZ for making a great tire that we will roll on this September on our next Baja Adventure.

Right now I'm doing a thread on prepping for Baja and talk more about the GMZ Cutthroat tire that we will be running, Check it out here;
http://www.rzrforums.net/general-rzr-discussion/179166-prepping-your-utv-baja-adventure-trip.html

If you have not read last years trip you can find it here.
http://www.rzrforums.net/general-rzr-discussion/153523-my-baja-trip-story.html

I will be doing another story on the 2015 trip around mid Sept so keep a look out for it!

 

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Nikal, I enjoyed reading about your Baja trip and the test of the tires. You give a lot of info in your posts. Minor thing could the temp or altitude have been different to cause the drop by 1 lb in pressure? I have a 2015 900 stock and I mostly ride in Nevada. I just got back from my second trip of about 200+ riding miles in the Tonapah area. This trip I cut a 1.5" gash the sidewall on a rock about 5 miles from camp. I was able to patch it with plug cord and limp back. I am running stock Polaris PXT tires still, but i think those days are over. I think I should go to a higher ply sidewall, and closer tread pattern. I guess a higher ply sidewall will probably make for a little rougher ride, but i don't know how much rougher. I do not really do mud it is mostly desert. I kind of want to stay with the same size, or not much taller, so what would you suggest for a tire? Also I would appreciate any input from the rest of you posties. You are all good sources of info. Thank's:
 

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Made in USA! Love the name!

Regarding the tire pressure, for the most part we were at sea level, and the hotel we stayed at where I was checking the pressures was right on the ocean. I've come to the conclusion that my compressor has or had moisture in it. When we mounted and aired up all 10 tires that moisture got in the tires and that is part of why we saw 2.5-3 lbs pressure increases when the tires were hot and after they cooled we found them to be 1 lbs less then when we started. Since we have been home I have checked several of the tires and they are all steady and have not lost any air. Just for kicks I will fill one set of tires with Nitorgen and see what pressure increases I find.

I'm not sure what size tire your 2015 900 came with? Guessing 27's? If this is the case I would consider the 28" GMZ Cutthroat tire. We did 580 miles and they look really good, no flats and no sidewall bruising or scuffs. Overall the performance was great and we liked the little stiffer sidewall as it took some of the body roll out of the machine and never felt rough. Because your not rolling over onto the sidewall in the turns you are less likely to cut a sidewall. I love Nevada and have raced the BITD series in the Tonapah area. That's a great place to ride. Again if that is your typical style of terrain you ride on, I would look at the Cutthroat. If you wanted to commit to clutching and maybe a little front fender trimming you could get the 30" Kahuna tire under there, which is another nice tire. I wish they offered the Kahuna in a 28" as there are many older XP900 and now the new 900's where a 30" tire might be to much tire, unless you want to do the things mentioned above.

If you have questions about the Cutthroat tire call GMZ. This is what I did when I was researching tires. They were knowledgeable and friendly. Some places you call, they want to tell you more about what is wrong with everyone else's product. GMZ was not like that, and a matter of fact when I called I spoke to one of the owners of the company. Several other brands have distribution companies handling their tires and they were not able to answer some of my questions. GMZ answered all my questions with specs & facts. Tell them you read Nikal's Baja trip and you want to know more about their tires.


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Nikal, thank's for getting back to me so fast. My 900 came with 26"x8 12 front, 26x9 12 rear. I don't think I want to get into the clutch at this time, so should I stick with a 26? That cutthroat looks very good. If I can't find a decent tire I might have to go for the 28" and clutch. I wished they would make it in different sizes, I think they would do well.
 

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IMO a clutch kit is not mandatory to run 28's, at least not with the Cutthroat tires. I did not do a clutch kit on either of our XP4 900's. I did not feel any issues with running the 28. Could a clutch kit improve my performance? Sure, HunterWorks who is a Dalton Clutch dealer swears even stock 4 seaters need clutch kits, and performance can be found by installing one. But I think and proved by doing 580 miles with 28's that its not necessary or a concern in regards to blowing belts. One of the benefits of a tire like the Cutthroat is its light weight compared to some other 28" tires or the steel belted tires.

Make a list of tires that interest you. Then look up the specs, look for some personal usage, with facts. Opinions are always different and what worked for one person might not for the next. Also like I mentioned call the manufactures and gets any details you might not have found by searching the Internet. Calling GMZ was a huge factor in my decision.
 

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Nikal, you mention 30" is too much for a stock drivetrain XP4 900. I'm replacing my 27x12 GBC/hipers. I'm looking at the GMC Cutthroat as well as a few others and going to a 14" wheel. I do plan on installing HCR or RPM long travel and I'm clutched with. Few motor mods. Would you still suggest the Cutthroat in my situation and what beadlock?


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Nikal, you mention 30" is too much for a stock drivetrain XP4 900. I'm replacing my 27x12 GBC/hipers. I'm looking at the GMC Cutthroat as well as a few others and going to a 14" wheel. I do plan on installing HCR or RPM long travel and I'm clutched with. Few motor mods. Would you still suggest the Cutthroat in my situation and what beadlock?


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For my application where I am stock engine, stock clutched with stock axles and doing 500 to 600 mile Baja trips, with no outside support. Yes I felt the 30 was to much tire for MY XP4 900. Also I run a Bighorn / GMZ Slammer style tire in my local desert (Plaster City /Superstition) as we run both hard pack and sand dunes on the same rides in the same area. These tires are 27's so having to clutch for the 30's was not an optimal option, as I'm not looking to have to adjust clutch tunes, each time I change tires.

I don't want to miss inform anyone into thinking a 30 inch tire is to much tire for XP 900. If you are committed to running 30"s all the time and are willing to tune the clutch for 30's, run a better rear axle and do the front fender trim modification, then YES you could do a 30" inch tire. You might be just fine running stock axles, but many that I have spoke to say "You are on borrowed time when running a stock axle with that much weight and rotating mass."

But since you are looking to add a long travel kit, you will be replacing your axles with the kit, and you said you are also going to re-clutch. So in theory you could run a 30' if you felt the need.

Like I said I was very happy with the overall performance of the GMZ Cutthroat and when looking at the overall wear after 580 miles in Baja, I was very pleased with what I found. I'm sure you saw or read the 2015 Baja trip story, so you would have seen all the types of terrain we ran on.

As far as wheel's you are going to love running a 14" wheel vs a 12". You get a lot less rocks and debris between the wheel & caliper. I have the STI HD Beadlock, and have been very happy with them. GMZ makes the Liteloc which too is a nice wheel, and what is even nicer is the fact that they use a 10mm bolt on the beadlock ring vs the 8mm that STI and many others use. Since I have not used any other UTV wheels I cant give you any honest opinions or facts.

Wheels are like tires and are subject to personal opinions and many times are purchased due to what the "Latest Trend" says you should run. What one guy likes and swears by the next will tell you they are no good. Kinda of like the Hiper wheel debate, which I'm sure you know all about, as you say you have Hipers. This is why I tried to show actual facts on the GMZ Cutthroat, and not just my opinion. Because I could tell everyone they are the best or worst tire. But that is only my opinion, and really it should come down to facts.

And like I have said on some other threads there is no perfect All-Terrain tire for all applications. Best thing you can do is figure out what you run the most in, where are you willing to sacrifice performance in, and make your pick. No all-terrain tire is going to run in the sand dunes like a paddle tire or even the Bighorn style tire would.


If you are looking at a 28 inch tire I would suggest the Cutthroat. If your looking for a 30 inch tire give the Kahuna a look, as I was told the rubber compounds are the same. So overall tire wear should see what I saw with the Cutthroat, and really because of the closer tread design you might see even better.

Good luck and let me know what you choose.
 

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Thanks Nikal, I was sold on the Cutthroat until I saw your point they did not perform in the sand. I will be in the sand occasionally and will not be buying another set of paddles. I was looking at the liteLoc and will look at the kahuna also. Thanks


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Thanks Nikal, I was sold on the Cutthroat until I saw your point they did not perform in the sand. I will be in the sand occasionally and will not be buying another set of paddles. I was looking at the liteLoc and will look at the kahuna also. Thanks


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The Cutthroat will get you through the sand, its just not a Sand Dune tire. Beach Sand and lots of it, Sand washes, Sand hills I got through them all with no issues at 14 lbs of pressure. I even got through a small sand dune area South of San Quintin OK, but the sand dune is not where I found them to be the best. If your riding consists of lots of Sand Dunes, then Yes I agree there are better tires suited for that, and its not going to be an All Terrian tire. If your Sand Dunes are occasional or a section of a trip that you need to go through to get to more hard pack desert, then you would be just fine. You might be able to get away with the Cutthroat aired down to 7-8 lbs and with beadlocks? I have not tried that yet, so I cant confirm how they would do at 7-8 lbs? Now that I have the Cutthroats I will try them at Superstition aired down and see how they perform. But at the same time I dont want to run them too low that I damage a side wall when back on the flats or rocky areas, as one afternoon ride we will see dry lake beds, hard pack, sand wash & the Sand Dunes. I run the Bighorn at 10 lbs, but they are also flatter tread and wider then the Cutthroat tire.

And yes if your leaning towards 30's check out the Kahuna. Give GMZ a call as they are going to have way more experience and knowledge about their tires then I do. I'm sure they could tell you how the Cutthroat would work in a place like Gordon's Well's or Glamis aired down. As I said I posted my information based on my Baja trip and at the specs I ran the tire at.
 

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Thanks so much for all of the great info. My sand dunes equate to maybe 2-3 trips a year. The majority is desert w/ an occasion dune to cross and then rocky mountain trails, and miles of gravel Blm roads. Leaning towards the cutthroat again


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I just ordered 14x7 GMZ Litelocs and 28x10x14 GMZ Cutthroats. Coming from lightweight 12" hipers and 27" dirt tamers and installing 4 Polaris Performance seats in an already piggish rig I did not want the weight of a 30" tire or a 15" rim. Besides, I'm very impressed in what I've been reading regarding the durability of the Cutthroat.


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Nogd did you get your new GMZ wheels & tires yet?

I ordered a week ago and Chaparral hasn't even received my wheels yet. You would think in stock ready to ship would mean something to the end user but it does not, nor did they honor my new customer $10 coupon because it is not good for tires. I asked them to apply it to the wheel purchase and they ignored me....you know, exactly how you should treat a new $1200 customer. Lol I reached out to a supporting vendor for a quote prior to ordering at chaparral and did not receive a response. I'm a little frustrated with the transaction right now. My buyer payed on Tuesday, received his wheels from me from Utah and installed them today. Not bad, 2 days total.


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Sorry to hear about your headache with Chaparral Motorsports. Hopefully they get your wheels and tires mounted and ready for you soon. Yes I agree, you should not tell people it's in stock, if its not sitting in your building. To many times I hear yeah we can get it or we have it, only to find out its at a distribution warehouse and they have to get it from them.

I would call back and ask for a manager. Ask them again to add your $10 coupon to your wheels and ask him why they have not shipped your wheels & tires and when will they?

I'm sure once you get them you will be very happy, it's just frustrating waiting.
 

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Sorry to hear about your headache with Chaparral Motorsports. Hopefully they get your wheels and tires mounted and ready for you soon. Yes I agree, you should not tell people it's in stock, if its not sitting in your building. To many times I hear yeah we can get it or we have it, only to find out its at a distribution warehouse and they have to get it from them.

I would call back and ask for a manager. Ask them again to add your $10 coupon to your wheels and ask him why they have not shipped your wheels & tires and when will they?

I'm sure once you get them you will be very happy, it's just frustrating waiting.

I apologize for the venting, I usually keep that kind of thing private.

Update today: I received an email stating there is a problem with your order please call. I was informed today the litelocs are on backorder and expected to Chaparral mid-late Nov and to me early Dec. I cancelled them and bought my alternate choice, blackout Raceline Mamba beadlock 14x7 4+3.


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I received the Cutthroats and mamba beadlocks. Happy with the tires, the wheels and vendor? Eh, we'll leave it at that. I'm just putting some finishing touches on my rear seat drop then next weekend I'll ride and review the tires. Thanks for your great post, I think I'll be pleased with these tires.


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I had the tires out and was amazed. We mainly rode high speed BLM roads, as we were just traveling to the cabin, the RZR felt planted and secure. It handled the corners very nicely I'm sure this was going to the 14" wheel. The tires had great grip and still look new after a .5 mile climb on granite shell. Thanks again for the tip!


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I had the tires out and was amazed. We mainly rode high speed BLM roads, as we were just traveling to the cabin, the RZR felt planted and secure. It handled the corners very nicely I'm sure this was going to the 14" wheel. The tires had great grip and still look new after a .5 mile climb on granite shell. Thanks again for the tip!


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We're sorry you had trouble in getting our liteloc wheels. We had a little bit of a delay with our manufacturing process. I am glad the tires have worked out well for you though.

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