[olddognewtrick]

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with the guy who said a plastic skid plate will do the same things as all these chassis gussets we sell... Not saying the skid plates don't have their place, just saying they will not make doors open differently and a machine feel different when driving. Unless of course you're hung up on something. A skid plate would probably make that feel different...

I just noticed the OP was hailing out of Great Falls, Mt, and since he did not say he is racing, I was going to assume he was a trail rider, not a racer or jumper. Throw in the fact he is on a std rzr, so again I pegged him as not a racer.

Looks like all the pile ons here for spending lots of coin for frame strengthening kits are in fact, racers.

IMO, the "plastic" skid system is much more important right out of the showroom for trail riders in the rocky mountains. Also, I did in fact install my FUTV 1/2" skid plate on my ride, and again IMO it did firm up the the understructure frame.

 

[RT PRO]

I also addressed the fact he is not a racer.

I'll respectfully agree to disagree.

 

[olddognewtrick]

I also addressed the fact he is not a racer.

I'll respectfully agree to disagree.

And I am not peddling anything here, just gave him my opinion.

So, apparently you agree with the OPs friend, that the very first thing everybody who buys a std rzr 800 should do is get all those braces and brackets from you installed before they leave the shop?

I will disagree as well, also respectively. I recommend the FUTV full protection system first, then upgraded springs second. Neither of which I sell or have any other connection to other than as a customer.

I wish you the very best in your sands sports business. int:

opcorn:

 

[Churchy]

Im not a racer and live in the Northeast, we have tons of elevation, high speed woods roads, to tight 25 mph stuff (basically a trail rider, but we do hammer down), and I tore my frame down 2 months after I got it because I had already bent the middle crossmember up and tore the bushings out of the front a-arms. Ive seen my buddys crack there frames up also, Ive got just bout everything Racer-tech makes for the older rzr 800 frame, great products. Also on a side note, I was able to do the RT gusset kit without pulling the motor or the running gear, and firewall, just pulled all plastic off, floor and a-arms, great time to do better bushings, vent lines for ur running gear can be ran up to roll cage, maybe a better airbox, better spark plugs, lol these Polaris razors are really kinda made crappy but they go great if u build em right.

 

[Handfly]

Full on recreational rider here and I can say that the Racer Tech stuff looks tasty... It's on the wish list for sure and a great way to break in my new welder!

Handfly

 

[olddognewtrick]

Im not a racer and live in the Northeast, we have tons of elevation, high speed woods roads, to tight 25 mph stuff (basically a trail rider, but we do hammer down), and I tore my frame down 2 months after I got it because I had already bent the middle crossmember up and tore the bushings out of the front a-arms. Ive seen my buddys crack there frames up also, Ive got just bout everything Racer-tech makes for the older rzr 800 frame, great products. Also on a side note, I was able to do the RT gusset kit without pulling the motor or the running gear, and firewall, just pulled all plastic off, floor and a-arms, great time to do better bushings, vent lines for ur running gear can be ran up to roll cage, maybe a better airbox, better spark plugs, lol these Polaris razors are really kinda made crappy but they go great if u build em right.

The 1/2" skid system would have saved you that.

We all do realize this thread is in the STD RZR 800 forum, correct?


:rofl3:

 

[Churchy]

I have 1/2 skid plates made of the heavy duty plastic, so you glide over stuff, alluminum is a thing of the past. Go on Thunderhawks website the explain it all bout the middle crossmember, have you look at urs lately the eventually bend up into the driveshaft. But keep this in mind Im a trail rider that rides this thing like I ride all my toys, HARD

 

[olddognewtrick]

I have 1/2 skid plates made of the heavy duty plastic, so you glide over stuff, alluminum is a thing of the past. Go on Thunderhawks website the explain it all bout the middle crossmember, have you look at urs lately the eventually bend up into the driveshaft. But keep this in mind Im a trail rider that rides this thing like I ride all my toys, HARD

Had it off about three weeks back to relocate my fan circuit breaker, all is well after 4,000 miles. We only ride trails, no dune riding here.

I drive mine like it's going to take me $20,000 to replace it.

:rofl3:

 

[Churchy]

Did the same with my circuit breaker also, what can I say you must baby that old girl, Were all trails and moutains here are selves, but its all in how ya wanna ride I guess.

 

[RT PRO]

I also addressed the fact he is not a racer.

I'll respectfully agree to disagree.

And I am not peddling anything here, just gave him my opinion.

So, apparently you agree with the OPs friend, that the very first thing everybody who buys a std rzr 800 should do is get all those braces and brackets from you installed before they leave the shop?

I will disagree as well, also respectively. I recommend the FUTV full protection system first, then upgraded springs second. Neither of which I sell or have any other connection to other than as a customer.

I wish you the very best in your sands sports business. int:

opcorn:

Let's get a few things straight here. :banghead: With all due respect of course.

I don't run a sandsports business. If that is in fact the jab you seem to have taken there. If you'd prefer to play dumb and blame it on my username that's fine. I started with that years ago, before RZR's existed, or Rhino's for that matter... Then got in to off-road racing and have done about everything under the sun off-road ever since. This included doing everything under the sun with RZR's before you knew what one was. I live and breathe this for a living. Which brings me to my next point; I AM "peddling" parts here. If you weren't aware, I pay more than you to be here so I CAN "peddle" my parts. Every "vendor" pays to be here so people like you can come on here and share your invaluable and completely unbiased opinions based on the plethora of personal experience you have. Oh, and also to promote their little "parts peddling" business...

I've been noticing you on here more and more lately. You are always the first person to knock any idea or opinion down if it's not what you did to YOUR machine. You do this based on very elementary experiences and never seem to want to give my company much credit for anything. Don't know what your problem is and frankly don't care. Of course I'm sure you'll say you have no issue with me and you are just sharing your opinion.

I get it this guy isn't a racer. No shit I agree with his friend. And yes, even if you're not racing you can completely wreck these frames quite easily. As I said in my original post, almost everything we sell is based off personally experienced failures in the OEM design. You just stated yourself you DON'T drive your RZR like a lot of members here do. You just implied you baby it because you're a tight wad. Of course you think spending money on all these braces is not necessary. That is your opinion and you're completely entitled to it.

Nothing I posted originally was contradictary to the OP's original question. I simply laid it all out there. You came in with "don't buy that, buy the skid plate I have". Seriously??? A skid plate for a chassis gusset??? What DID I do to you? This is the same thing I see you post in every lift kit thread on here... "Don't buy a lift kit, I have springs". Great point. Especially when the threads are usually asking about the RT lift. We sell springs too and you STILL try direct them to the competition. I can only come up with a few reasons why you would do this; 1. You don't like me. 2. You DO have something to gain. OR 3. You have too much time on your hands and no one to listen to you talk.

Please, if we can't agree on the value of your opinion, at least consider the little relevance it has to come in to a gusset thread and promote a skid plate.

 

[olddognewtrick]

Hey bud, I never told him "don't buy this."

And, also I understand that vendors pay a good amount to this site to be supporting, that is a business decision, right?

I am sharing my experience with others who were in the same situation as I was a year or so back, I am hoping to get them headed towards all the issues I have experienced with my std ride, and again I have not sold anything here except my taken off lift kit in the classifieds. I have nothing against a RT lift, how could I since I never owned one? Another peddler of the same lift irritatingly always sweeps in and claims the RT is the ONLY lift that will not bind you CVs, and to that I always say B.S. That kind of selling turns me cold.

Jesus man, you have to have a thicker skin than that if you are selling products, not everybody is going to recommend your stuff, or quite possibly not everybody is going to love your stuff either.

I just suggested that a good skid might be the best thing to put on first considering where he rides.

Again, these comments are from my own personal experience, and I did not put a skid on my ride first, but will next time.

I have nothing against RT, or you either, never had an opinion other than the already mentioned irritating claim, but your personal attacks here do not serve you well, or make you more professional.

I thank you for being a supporting vendor for this great and informational site, but maybe this is not your bag.

 

[RT PRO]

I think through everything I do EXTREMELY carefully. And usually to a fault. I have plenty thick skin. I've silently watched plenty enough here to know that... No one has ever called my "attacks" unprofessional or attacks for that matter. Sorry if you felt that way.

 

[olddognewtrick]

I think through everything I do EXTREMELY carefully. And usually to a fault. I have plenty thick skin. I've silently watched plenty enough here to know that... No one has ever called my "attacks" unprofessional or attacks for that matter. Sorry if you felt that way.

I also addressed the fact he is not a racer.

I'll respectfully agree to disagree.

And I am not peddling anything here, just gave him my opinion.

So, apparently you agree with the OPs friend, that the very first thing everybody who buys a std rzr 800 should do is get all those braces and brackets from you installed before they leave the shop?

I will disagree as well, also respectively. I recommend the FUTV full protection system first, then upgraded springs second. Neither of which I sell or have any other connection to other than as a customer.

I wish you the very best in your sands sports business. int:

opcorn:

Let's get a few things straight here. :banghead: With all due respect of course.

I don't run a sandsports business. If that is in fact the jab you seem to have taken there. If you'd prefer to play dumb and blame it on my username that's fine. I started with that years ago, before RZR's existed, or Rhino's for that matter... Then got in to off-road racing and have done about everything under the sun off-road ever since. This included doing everything under the sun with RZR's before you knew what one was. I live and breathe this for a living. Which brings me to my next point; I AM "peddling" parts here. If you weren't aware, I pay more than you to be here so I CAN "peddle" my parts. Every "vendor" pays to be here so people like you can come on here and share your invaluable and completely unbiased opinions based on the plethora of personal experience you have. Oh, and also to promote their little "parts peddling" business...

I've been noticing you on here more and more lately. You are always the first person to knock any idea or opinion down if it's not what you did to YOUR machine. You do this based on very elementary experiences and never seem to want to give my company much credit for anything. Don't know what your problem is and frankly don't care. Of course I'm sure you'll say you have no issue with me and you are just sharing your opinion.

I get it this guy isn't a racer. No shit I agree with his friend. And yes, even if you're not racing you can completely wreck these frames quite easily. As I said in my original post, almost everything we sell is based off personally experienced failures in the OEM design. You just stated yourself you DON'T drive your RZR like a lot of members here do. You just implied you baby it because you're a tight wad. Of course you think spending money on all these braces is not necessary. That is your opinion and you're completely entitled to it.

Nothing I posted originally was contradictary to the OP's original question. I simply laid it all out there. You came in with "don't buy that, buy the skid plate I have". Seriously??? A skid plate for a chassis gusset??? What DID I do to you? This is the same thing I see you post in every lift kit thread on here... "Don't buy a lift kit, I have springs". Great point. Especially when the threads are usually asking about the RT lift. We sell springs too and you STILL try direct them to the competition. I can only come up with a few reasons why you would do this; 1. You don't like me. 2. You DO have something to gain. OR 3. You have too much time on your hands and no one to listen to you talk.

Please, if we can't agree on the value of your opinion, at least consider the little relevance it has to come in to a gusset thread and promote a skid plate.

This is what I am talking about. I am in business also, I know better than to climb on the back of somebody that I may not agree with concerning my business/products, been in it too long to know that helps me in the long run.

Again, I questioned the OPs need for frame upgrades, he only posted that a friend had told him he need them, I suggested he dang sure needs the skids, and that is my own opinion, and again I was not offering to sell him anything.

Did not mean to step on your presentation, but again if you think I did, you should be professional enough to proceed with the discussion about your product without attacking another poster, especially one that is not competing with you.

Oh well, we wrecked the hell out of this thread, I am out,

Carry On!

 

[itsruf]

..........Again, I questioned the OPs need for frame upgrades, he only posted that a friend had told him he need them,...
..!

Jim, you are usually the voice of logic. Let the guy beef it up.
I became a believer in frame upgrades. My frame proved it's worth in a 3 mph roll. The result was a new frame and 30 something welded-in gussets and braces. Sure, I tend to over do everything. Helps me sleep better.
I like all the welded photos on this thread.

 

[darkstar_420]

i didnt even know anybody made chassis sleeves for the rzr, i want more info on them actually. are they like the can ams? just slide in and weld the end? i tried to download the instructions on RT site but my computer wouldnt let me

 

[bradlineberry]

None of the 3.
He cant afford your product.
Thats the only way someone would talk it down. Shit you lead the industry in most areas with frame add on's and gussets..lifts ... etc...

Adding your products is like insurance.
How many guys carry insurance.
I have your lift and tie rods.
Been meaning to gusset but to much to do lately and nobody touches my machine but me.

 

[bsracing]

Well I am going to jump in here as well. I do not race rzrs and I have less then 1000 miles on mine.. I went to the dunes one time and bent my frame... I have Andy's racer tech springs and made such a huge difference In my machine he is who I went to for my chassis brace. Which i ordered from him today. If you ever get the chance to talk with him he is awesome to deal with. We should be happy that we have companies here to give advice and ya they are pushing products.. They pay to do that and every vendor here does it in one way or another. You think they would make braces if it wasn't necessary to upgrade for people that ride these like they are meant to.

 

[RT PRO]

i didnt even know anybody made chassis sleeves for the rzr, i want more info on them actually. are they like the can ams? just slide in and weld the end? i tried to download the instructions on RT site but my computer wouldnt let me

Sorry if the website gave you trouble.. These will pound right in to the back of your chassis. We designed them so they are tight enough that you can literally leave them as-is when installed and they will stay. However, we designed them so you can install them a few ways. First, you can just pound them in and leave them. I think most guys are doing this with a lot of success. The original plan however was to actually drill holes in the outside of the chassis tubes before installing the sleeves so you can plug weld these in place for ultimate rigidity. The sleeves cut-out ovals are strategically placed so you can drill your holes to line up in between the holes without running in to interference issues with other bracketry or bracing on the OEM chassis. (The funny part is I waited a year to say this because I knew someone would copy these and not understand why I spaced these out in an odd looking way... Then we can see who had the idea first... lol)

Anyways, these do also come with caps that can be welded over the ends of the sleeves to cap off the rear tubes on the chassis. The last option to secure these in place with no welding and no concern of them coming out would be to drill and bolt them in place.

Here's some pics of the install to give you some ideas. I can post more tomorrow when I get back to work:

 

[dr.vacation]

I did the whole racer tech package,and the weld in tube inserts and the difference is amazing, I don't think you can imagine the difference till you feel it, the precision you get in handling and bite in the corners is huge,and the frame is so much stiffer its hard to put into words,time consuming,yes,but I feel it was time and money well spent , Thanks again Andy for the time you put into your designs and the time you spent answering any questions I had, now guys stop bothering him so he can catch up on his orders and still have time to help us with our silly questions

 

[olddognewtrick]

None of the 3.
He cant afford your product. Horseshit :rofl3:
Thats the only way someone would talk it down. Shit you lead the industry in most areas with frame add on's and gussets..lifts ... etc...

Adding your products is like insurance.
How many guys carry insurance.
I have your lift and tie rods.
Been meaning to gusset but to much to do lately and nobody touches my machine but me.

How much you got you got tied up in your machine there hot dog?

opcorn: