[RZRUAE]

So what which one you have?

 

[RZRUAE]

Leo which size are you using for the crow?

 

[bilinvic]

I really like how the DFR belts have the shoulder straps and hip straps sewn together. Getting the belts on and off takes no time...and there's a large sternum clip to keep the shoulder straps from separating.

My kids have the Crow belts and it's painful watching them trying to get all the clips alligned and secured!!!

 

[Beach Leo]

Leo which size are you using for the crow?

I use the 3" padded...Got-em From UTVcrap..They are way-good..and sure hold you in your seat way-good..they make it easier to drive RZR..cause you do-not have to hold on to steering wheel as much for support...Here is about the only pic I got of em..its not very good but will give you idea..

 

[Squale183]

I have the 3", H-style, padded Crow's, 5th point, and sternum strap, because they are approved for racing. The DFR's were not. I have not ridden with DFR's so I can't speak about them. I just needed harnesses that were approved for racing.

 

[Beach Leo]

I really like how the DFR belts have the shoulder straps and hip straps sewn together. Getting the belts on and off takes no time...and there's a large sternum clip to keep the should straps from separating.

My kids have the Crow belts and it's painful watching them trying to get all the clips alligned and secured!!!

I do-like the DFR...Only thing that turned me off about em is when I heard they where made in China:rm_thumbdown: Is that True are they made in China:question:

 

[mnrzr-s]

I really like my 3" padded Crow's. I like the idea of the DFR, but lack of certification/ info on where they are manufactured and having to always wear the shoulder belts is what turned me to Crow.

 

[DRAGONFIRERACING]

I really like how the DFR belts have the shoulder straps and hip straps sewn together. Getting the belts on and off takes no time...and there's a large sternum clip to keep the should straps from separating.

My kids have the Crow belts and it's painful watching them trying to get all the clips alligned and secured!!!

I do-like the DFR...Only thing that turned me off about em is when I heard they where made in China:rm_thumbdown: Is that True are they made in China:question:

Just to reassure you our belts are not made in China. In fact they are made with the same quality and standards as Simpson and Mastercraft. They are even made under the same roof. I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure that Crow is made in the same facility. The fact of the matter is all of the belts on the market are quality products, the main reason people have told me they like our belts over others is that the should straps are sewn into the lap belts making it a very simple 2 step process to put on the entire 4 point. The way that we make our belts is not race legal in most cases because of racing rules and regs on latches.

 

[Vinman]

I have the DFR's and really like them.
One quick click for the lap belt and one more for the sternum strap.
Very comfortable.

Vince

 

[Beach Leo]

I really like how the DFR belts have the shoulder straps and hip straps sewn together. Getting the belts on and off takes no time...and there's a large sternum clip to keep the should straps from separating.

My kids have the Crow belts and it's painful watching them trying to get all the clips alligned and secured!!!

I do-like the DFR...Only thing that turned me off about em is when I heard they where made in China:rm_thumbdown: Is that True are they made in China:question:

Just to reassure you our belts are not made in China. In fact they are made with the same quality and standards as Simpson and Mastercraft. They are even made under the same roof. I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure that Crow is made in the same facility. The fact of the matter is all of the belts on the market are quality products, the main reason people have told me they like our belts over others is that the should straps are sewn into the lap belts making it a very simple 2 step process to put on the entire 4 point. The way that we make our belts is not race legal in most cases because of racing rules and regs on latches.

Thanks I did not know where they where made Now I do..Any-way Like I said I do like em:ride:

 

[Factory UTV]

We carry Crow and DJ Safety, both excellent quality belts. DJ Safety's also has the shoulder strap sewn into the lap belt, and yeah it's nice, that's what I personally run, great belts.

 

[cwspfx]

I run and race with Crow ...!!! DJ Safety will be my next set of belts though!!

 

[wvyankee2]

........Simpson.

 

[Decreasing Dave]

I have Crows but I really wish I had DFRs.

Just not cost effective to replace all the brand new harnesses in my RZR4.....:sad:

Dave

 

[strracerx]

crows 3x3, 5 point with sternum clip.

 

[MTW]

I really like how the DFR belts have the shoulder straps and hip straps sewn together. Getting the belts on and off takes no time...and there's a large sternum clip to keep the should straps from separating.

My kids have the Crow belts and it's painful watching them trying to get all the clips alligned and secured!!!

I do-like the DFR...Only thing that turned me off about em is when I heard they where made in China:rm_thumbdown: Is that True are they made in China:question:

Just to reassure you our belts are not made in China. In fact they are made with the same quality and standards as Simpson and Mastercraft. They are even made under the same roof. I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure that Crow is made in the same facility. The fact of the matter is all of the belts on the market are quality products, the main reason people have told me they like our belts over others is that the should straps are sewn into the lap belts making it a very simple 2 step process to put on the entire 4 point. The way that we make our belts is not race legal in most cases because of racing rules and regs on latches.

You know, I have to wonder what the "race officials" take are on latches that are approved for racing. The reason I state that and secondly give full support to my DFR belts is because we use the same EXACT latches in the military, we use them on aircraft for paratroopers, we use them in the Sf &Special missions buggies.. What's the "issue" with the latch.. It's as safe as it gets, and when crap hit the fan whether it be a plane having a hard landing, taking bullets, or a rollover/ crash in a RAZR, your are is getting out no matter what.. Most people don't know this but the latch on the DFR's( I don't know what the crows are running) was designed to military specs so incase of total light failure, blindness due to nuclear, biological, chemical (NBC) attack and or serious limb impaired injury the person strapped in can get out before something worse happens...
I really would like to know "why" they are not race q'd..makes no sence to me, heck it's the same EXACT latch that us paratroopers use to release our equipment when jumping out of aircraft, it's the same latch you release if your equipmentvis caught and your a towed jumper?

TO DFR, if you do change your latches to make them race qualified, that's great, but please continue to sell the current ones that I have put my life on the line with for so many years...
As for the Crows... They are great too...good that they are excepted for racing.
Sometimes these threads are great about comparing different products and we are finally comparing apples to apples but I think the poll itself might be flawed.. How about. I vote for:
DFR's
CROW's
CROW's (because I actually use them for racing)

That would give me a better idea as to why people vote for which belts..
Thnks though, it was interesting..Mike #9

 

[rzrshopping]

I tried the Crows and switched to DFR. The padded part of the belt seemed longer toward the lap belt. I don't know if it was that or something else, but it was more comfortable to me, so I kept the DFR installed.

 

[Squale183]

I do-like the DFR...Only thing that turned me off about em is when I heard they where made in China:rm_thumbdown: Is that True are they made in China:question:

Just to reassure you our belts are not made in China. In fact they are made with the same quality and standards as Simpson and Mastercraft. They are even made under the same roof. I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure that Crow is made in the same facility. The fact of the matter is all of the belts on the market are quality products, the main reason people have told me they like our belts over others is that the should straps are sewn into the lap belts making it a very simple 2 step process to put on the entire 4 point. The way that we make our belts is not race legal in most cases because of racing rules and regs on latches.

You know, I have to wonder what the "race officials" take are on latches that are approved for racing. The reason I state that and secondly give full support to my DFR belts is because we use the same EXACT latches in the military, we use them on aircraft for paratroopers, we use them in the Sf &Special missions buggies.. What's the "issue" with the latch.. It's as safe as it gets, and when crap hit the fan whether it be a plane having a hard landing, taking bullets, or a rollover/ crash in a RAZR, your are is getting out no matter what.. Most people don't know this but the latch on the DFR's( I don't know what the crows are running) was designed to military specs so incase of total light failure, blindness due to nuclear, biological, chemical (NBC) attack and or serious limb impaired injury the person strapped in can get out before something worse happens...
I really would like to know "why" they are not race q'd..makes no sence to me, heck it's the same EXACT latch that us paratroopers use to release our equipment when jumping out of aircraft, it's the same latch you release if your equipmentvis caught and your a towed jumper?

TO DFR, if you do change your latches to make them race qualified, that's great, but please continue to sell the current ones that I have put my life on the line with for so many years...
As for the Crows... They are great too...good that they are excepted for racing.
Sometimes these threads are great about comparing different products and we are finally comparing apples to apples but I think the poll itself might be flawed.. How about. I vote for:
DFR's
CROW's
CROW's (because I actually use them for racing)

That would give me a better idea as to why people vote for which belts..
Thnks though, it was interesting..Mike #9

Mike, You can read about this in this attached link. Scroll down to the 5th point area. There is multiple definition tabs.
I know your statement is more of a wondering why why the latching system that is used on DFR is not considered, while it's used in the military. (You know the military has it's own set of standards so they can do what they feel is right) Of course I don't know that answer either. The duck bill latch seems to be the reason though it is approved. I would think the force of a crash in a vehicle would create more force (as you have a 1,000 pound vehicle strapped to you) on the latch, and of course the duck bill latch is stronger. Also in my opinion easier for someone else to get you out if incapacitated. This is just my two cents though and solely my opinion.

Crow Seat Belts | Crow Harness Restraints

 

[rzrshopping]

Isn't the latch in the crow basically the same style as DFR? Without the race approval rating? I know the shoulder straps are integrated on the DFR, but the latch looks identical?

 

[MTW]

Just went down and checked my DFR's they do have the "duck bill latch" ?? I scrolled down like you asked and inspected all of the latches, They even have the round release clamp like we use on the Blackhawks... But now that I see they both have the same clamp I trully am baffled about why one is race legal and one is not....
Unless, There is a differance in strength (which I doubt, I bet they order the same "duck Bill" from the same manufacturer, probably the Military too) Maybe, just Maybe DFR has not presented there belts for the "official testing" to get racing approval..and/or mine are 4 point (H harness) I dont like the 5th.. Ive had enough parachutes stapped between my legs...NO MORE for me....Maybe I will give Chris a call at DFR or PM him and find out..Because sitting here throwing around guesses is just a waist of everyones time... Mike