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Discussion starter · #21 ·
Thank you for the great information!! I have a burning question though, how does elevation effect clutch performance?
Clutch performance does not change. What changes is the power produced by the engine. Air density changes as elevation increases.

To give you an example of the power loss due to elevation gain, here are two data points. At sea level (considered zero feet), the 1000 RZR makes a claimed 108HP. At 8000 ft of altitude (West Yellowstone) air composition changes by 11%. in other words your 108HP engine now only makes 96.1HP. There is simply nothing you do about it unless you put more air back into the system (turbo?).

The clutching has to be re-calibrated due to the loss of engine power. At sea level Polaris clutches the 1000 RZR with the 26-61 flyweight; at elevation Polaris calibrates the same RZR with a 26-55 flyweight. No other changes are made to the springs or helix.
 
Thank you for the great information!! I have a burning question though, how does elevation effect clutch performance?
Clutch performance does not change. What changes is the power produced by the engine. Air density changes as elevation increases.

To give you an example of the power loss due to elevation gain, here are two data points. At sea level (considered zero feet), the 1000 RZR makes a claimed 108HP. At 8000 ft of altitude (West Yellowstone) air composition changes by 11%. in other words your 108HP engine now only makes 96.1HP. There is simply nothing you do about it unless you put more air back into the system (turbo?).

The clutching has to be re-calibrated due to the loss of engine power. At sea level Polaris clutches the 1000 RZR with the 26-61 flyweight; at elevation Polaris calibrates the same RZR with a 26-55 flyweight. No other changes are made to the springs or helix.
Great info. I believe the HP loss at elevation is a little more than you quoted. Not an important detail however I attached a link to an altitude calculator. Also if you go to the calculator menu there are lots of useful tools.
Thanks
Wallace Racing - Braking HP Loss at Altitude Calculator
 
Discussion starter · #23 ·
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Yesterday we discussed the different flyweights Polaris uses in their UTV/ATV line up. As you can see there a tremendous differences in the shape and sizes based on the differing engine/bike combinations.

After years of high performance work in many areas of design, I have come to the conclusion that the CVT flyweight is the most important part of any power transfer assembly. From the end of the crankshaft to the contact of rear tires to the ground, the CVT flyweight is the area of highest importance to the powertrain engineer. An improperly designed flyweight will result in low power transfer to the rear wheels, and more importantly will result in power transfer losses seen as elevated belt temperatures due to belt slippage in the primary clutch.

To understand how important the flyweight is to the overall machine, just think of them as the “Engine Control Management system” (ECM). No other single component controls the efficiency of the power plant (i.e., Engine) more than the flyweight. I’m sure I just ruffled the feathers of a few of my electrical engineer friends with that statement. :shhh:

Shown above are three of the flyweights we looked at yesterday. We have taken the flyweights (25, 26, and 27 Series) and put them in a two dimensional schematic (X,Y) for further analysis. The three dimensional (X,Y,Z) analysis is not need to make the calculation need to calculate force applied to the belt.

The flyweights are shown statically hanging from the pivot pin. As you can see the flyweight has a very complicated shape and we have to figure out how to get some key measurements from it. The key dimension the engineer needs is the “Center of Mass” (COM) location of the flyweight. Since this thread is named “Clutch Design 101”; a single COM point will used when performing calculations of complex shapes such as the flyweight. You can also use multiple COM points, but that method is very advanced, and both methods give the same end result. The multiple COM method teaches the engineer how effective each section of the flyweight is during operational rotational.

By hanging the flyweight from the rotational pivot, the “plumb line” naturally generates the COM point in the “X” direction. Half of the mass is on one side of the plumb line and the other half on the opposite side. Getting the COM point in the “Y” direction requires some specialized measurement equipment. We have shown the proper COM location for the three flyweights above, and its location from the center of the pivot.

Next we will put the flyweight in the clutch and generate more critical data. Randy
 
Discussion starter · #24 · (Edited)
Great info. How does sheave mat'l affect performance?

Excellent question. The aluminum material used for a cast one is probably a 300 series aluminum (at least it was the last time I did one). I also build billet primary clutches so I'm familiar with the coefficient of friction between the belt and differing material properties.

Cast aluminum material is much more porous then billet. Making a cast sheave is a better choice for a CVT primary clutch. The only time I recommend billet is when more arms (more than the standard 3) or some other function is needed.

This is where aftermarket belt manufactures see gains in performance. By changing the durometer of the belt, you can improve the coefficient of friction between the belt and sheave. Softer (stickier) durometers always give better rear wheel horse power numbers but for a much shorter time/duration.

IMO, Changing belts to a softer compound only masks a greater problem with the calibration. I always try to change the calibration with the tuning components available. Usually the harder stock belt is much more consistent.

FYI. We don't sell O.E.M. or aftermarket belts so we have no skin in this game.
 
Discussion starter · #30 ·
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In our last get together, we discussed the Center of Mass location (COM). This point on the weight is critical in determining the force generated by the flyweights. Today 3D cad programs can easily generate the exact COM location of any complex shapes such as the flyweight.

Our focus will now shift to the CVT Primary Clutch. The primary clutch exists for the purpose of harnessing the energy of the flyweight. I know some would argue with me, but the flyweight is the only positive force-producing element in the entire CVT drive. All other components (springs and helixes as well as the clutches themselves) subtract from the energy produced by the flyweight.

The primary clutch is designed to precisely place the flyweights. In the attached diagram we have now placed the flyweight in the primary clutch. The very first key dimension within the clutch is the “Heel Pad”. The heel pad places the flyweight in the proper position that dictates the start of “Operational Rotation” of the flyweight.

By examining the diagram above, you will notice that the COM of the flyweight no longer hangs directly in line with the rotation pivot. The heel pad is critical as it sets the angle in which the flyweights COM is untucked from the rotational pivot location. The heel pad distance is measured from the center of pivot location, and is one of the key dimensions that has a large influence of the overall performance of the CVT system as a whole.

We have shown the heel pad location at a -8.5mm in the X-direction from the rotational pivot. In years past, Polaris had standardized on a -7.0mm heel pad location, and for the first time in 40 years, has changed it to the -8.0 to -8.5mm location with the new RZR clutch which came out in approx. 2010.
Next we will get more key dimensions needed from the primary clutch.

A Memorial Day Salute to all my fellow Veterans! Randy out.
 

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Awesome Info

Thank You for taking the time in writing this up

Looking forward to more

Is Aluminum the only metal tried for CVT Clutch?

Seems to me other metals would be more durable, but not as easy to machine

Again Thank You
 
Discussion starter · #36 ·
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In our last discussion, we talked about the heel pad and how that dimension sets the angle of “untuck” of the flyweight when it’s mounted into the clutch--an extremely important placement.

We are now going to place the flyweight in the clutch at the exact location as dictated by the “Stationary Pin” location. The stationary pin is the pin used to mount the flyweight into the clutch. When you change a flyweight you have to remove the stationary pin to free the flyweight from the clutch.

Previously, I have referred to the stationary pin as the rotational pivot. The stationary pin is the physical part that allows for rotation of the flyweight.
Shown in the figure above is a cut section of the RZR 900&1000 primary clutch. A lot of work went into this diagram and you will not see it anywhere else but here. This schematic cuts through all the major components and shows exact locations of the key dimensions needed for proper force calculations.

To narrow our focus and make our upcoming calculations more in line with the RZR, I will only focus on the 26-61 flyweight. The 26-61 is the Polaris O.E.M. base weight used to calibrate most 1000 RZR’s coming off the assembly line today. The RZR 900 is calibrated with the 26-59, it’s the same flyweight with a two gram difference in mass.

As you can see in the diagram, the flyweight is now mounted in the clutch and resting on the heel pad in it permanent location within the primary clutch. The only movement the flyweight can make is a rotational movement in the counter-clockwise direction around the stationary pin.

You will also glean from this diagram the distance from the center of the primary clutch to the stationary pin location. This distance is needed to calculate velocity of the flyweight at the flyweights COM position. The dimension from the center of the clutch to the stationary pin location is 81mm. The 81mm distance has been used by Polaris for 45 years. It is a standard pretty much the same in all CVT flyweight clutches produced today regardless of manufacture (TEAM, Arctic Cat, Comet). Next, we will trig (as in trigonometry) out the exact location of the COM distance from the center of the clutch.

Randy out.
 

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Discussion starter · #39 · (Edited)
Awesome Info

Thank You for taking the time in writing this up

Looking forward to more

Is Aluminum the only metal tried for CVT Clutch?

Seems to me other metals would be more durable, but not as easy to machine

Again Thank You
Yes. Other materials have been tried. In fact, the BRP primary clutch is made of forged steel and cast aluminum. Their clutch is called the "E-Drive" clutch. Cast aluminum has been the standard for the 45 years, so basically every thing I know about belts and coefficient of friction is based on cast aluminum.

I did try to venture out of cast aluminum once. I had a primary clutch coated in ceramic. The idea was to get a consistent sheave face with the much harder ceramic material. It worked great right up to the time the belt exploded due to over heating. I forgot about the heat transfer of the ceramic. It has none, and drives all the heat right back into the belt.
That clutch now sits in the pile of good ideas. LOL
 
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