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BRC AMERICA'S GREAT OUTDOORS INITIATIVE UPDATE - August 30, 2010

The two key goals of the American's Great Outdoors Initiative
I want to begin by saying this update will not speculate on what President Obama will do insofar as exercising his authority to designate National Monuments. We'll wait until after the November election for that. And we wont be speculating on how the Treasured Landscape Initiative is related to the America's Great Outdoors Initiative (AGO Initiative) - yet.

There seem to be two key goals in the American's Great Outdoors Initiative. One is to facilitate another omnibus public lands bill and the other is to increase White House involvement in the Departments of Interior and Agriculture's activities.

Underneath all of the 'let's get America recreating outdoors' rhetoric, President Obama's Memorandum lists three "functions:" 1) outreach; 2) coordination; and 3) reports. The outreach function includes the various listening sessions we've been alerting you about, as well as the information obtained by the Department of Interior (DOI) website America's Great Outdoors. The result of which will be included in a report due November 15, 2010, just in time for a lame duck Congress.

At this point its obvious that the "outreach" function is all about pushing a legislative agenda. The AGO Initiative has already been used by the Wilderness activists to push several wilderness bills. There are a couple of dozen bills that are already queued up and could pass via a "pass all or nothing" omnibus or separately. Either way, wilderness advocates are hopeful the AGO Initiative, and the attention in the media, will push several bills through during the next session of Congress (scheduled for September 14 through October 8).

The second goal of the Initiative is embedded in the "coordination" function of Obama's Memorandum. It directs the Environmental Protection Agency, Council on Environmental Quality, the Departments of Ag and Interior to "identify existing resources and align policies and programs to achieve its goals." The Memorandum also requires the Chair of the CEQ to issue a report by November 15, 2010, and Annual reports by September 30, 2011, and 2012.

At first glance, that doesn't seem all that significant. The administration, via CEQ, can already get into AG's and Interior's business, and for many previous administrations has been used to advance various White House programs. Still, adding a formal coordinating function is one more way the Executive Branch is putting its fingers in what is properly Congress's business.

Is it really all about the money?
At second glance, this new coordination function could be a very clever way to have the administration's hand on a billion dollar money spigot.

Right now, Congress is debating whether or not to fund the Land and Water Conservation Fund (LWCF), and if yes, how to fund it and for how much. LWCF is a fund that diverts federal excise taxes from offshore oil and gas development for state and local conservation programs such as buying private lands and otherwise increasing the federal estate. But it is sporadic because Congress must allocate funding each fiscal year. Congress is considering giving it long term funding authorization via a comprehensive energy bill (HR 3534) that would guarantee the program funding for the next 30 years, but there is a lot of opposition.

A separate source of funding is also on the horizon. Every version of climate change legislation has provisions that would establish some sort of "climate adaptation fund" (or similar), that would provide billions of dollars for all kinds of "climate change mitigation" projects, including buying private lands. The source of funding varies with the legislation, but essentially it's a carbon tax. Potentially, such legislation would eclipse the LWCF both in scope and the amount of tax dollars spent.

The agencies are literally salivating at the prospect of this new source of tax dollars. As far back as 2009, when the first climate bill was making its way through the House, federal bureaucrats and environmental groups have been making plans to spend it. Actually, for the last couple of decades, preservationist oriented employees inside the land managing agencies have been promoting a ambitious conservation agenda, seeking not only to greatly expand the federal estate, but also to influence what activities occur on adjacent private and state owned lands. All of the work and preparation is done. All that is needed is a source of funding.

It seems obvious that this administration, under Secretary Salazar, is determined to get it -whether through climate legislation or direct taxes. When reporting about the AGO Initiative Jim Coffin wrote in a June 28 edition of Public Lands News:

The administration under the lead of the Council on Environmental Quality will have its hands full trying to come up with a conservation consensus after the listening sessions. Citizens have focused on everything from a demand for guns to broad conservation agendas.

Instead of beginning the initiative with a set of concrete proposals the administration said it will listen to interest groups and the American people first. If and when the initiative is fleshed out, insiders believe it could include:

* full funding for the Land and Water Conservation Fund,
* revitalization of the National Park System in time for its 100th Anniversary in 2016,
* the designation of a number of national monuments on Bureau of Land Management land,
* an omnibus public lands and parks bill (as is in the works now in Congress), or
* all of the above.

The source of the billions of dollars to accomplish such ambitious goals will be most controversial and has of course not been identified. However, Salazar has given broad hints in a dozen Congressional hearings that he has his eye on offshore oil and gas royalties. And, perhaps, on a sharp increase in onshore oil and gas royalties.

We're now 78 days away from the final report, we've had 27 meetings, and about a gazillion hits on the DOI website. It looks as if Coffin's sources will be right. Reports from meetings in CA, MT, UT, OR, CO (and other states) certainly confirms that input the agencies are getting is all over the map. Every interest group imaginable is pitching the administration for funding. At the Salt Lake City break out session, I got the impression that every "save the bug," "save the bog" and "save the beast" group in the Northern Hemisphere was angling for their piece of those carbon taxes.

Then you have input from farmers, livestock growers, and recreational users. The input is so wide ranging and general in nature that the administration could decide on virtually anything and the report would justify it as "reflecting the view of a majority of Americans." Sadly, such is an all-too-typical result of federal land manager's "public outreach" these days.

It's always tricky to make land-use predictions, however, I do feel it is safe to say the AGO Initiative will at least include two key tenets. One is directly related to the next omnibus public lands package, the other is to increase White House involvement in the day-to-day activities of the Department of Interior and the Department of Agriculture, and to influence where the Natural Resources Climate Adaptation Fund is spent.
 

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If you read this thread then please get involved somehow; write a letter, donate to the brc, email your congressman, or vote on the great outdoors iniative. There are many ways to protect your riding and access priveledges to OUR public lands. If everyone just does one of these things to help we stand a good chance to protect our rights, but if you do nothing don't be surprised when your favorite trail is all closed up.:rm_thumbdown:
 

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Not too many look at this site. Few post. I wonder how many have ever gone to the America's Great Outdoors. Link in red above, The comments show a clear preponderance of opposition to our interest. The comments seem to encourage spending unlimited funds for every project or purchase imaginable. It is structured to get every idea conceivable, and without regard to cost to let choices be made to fund as much as possible. Since every choice will be possible, I think the administration will do what it wishes during a lame duck session, much to our detriment.

Every Forum member should take a little time to look at AMERICAS GREAT OUTDOORS link in red above.
 

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Not too many look at this site. Few post. I wonder how many have ever gone to the America's Great Outdoors. Link in red above, The comments show a clear preponderance of opposition to our interest. The comments seem to encourage spending unlimited funds for every project or purchase imaginable. It is structured to get every idea conceivable, and without regard to cost to let choices be made to fund as much as possible. Since every choice will be possible, I think the administration will do what it wishes during a lame duck session, much to our detriment.

Every Forum member should take a little time to look at AMERICAS GREAT OUTDOORS link in red above.
Yes they should, but sadly theres only 12 views of this thread! Maybe the thread title should read hot chicks or something then maybe people would at least click on it and maybe read a little.
 

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Hot Chicks, Cold Beer and Fast Razors

I've tried that idea before . . . doesn't work when it's in a Land Access sub-forum!

I put the stuff I get our there, what people do with it to help preserve their access is a personal choice but mark my words . . . the crying will start when the lack of action we see soon results in the massive closures of OUR riding areas that will make those in the recent past pale by comparison and by then IT WILL BE WAY TOO LATE!!!
 

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Well then lets try the Utv inc. approach and bump the threads 50 times a day. It works for them. I'll do it when I'm on here.
I'd rather spend my time up on the AGOI and other places in a personal effort to try and make a difference but please don't let me discourage you from what ever you think may help!

Thank you for caring!!!
 

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Well then lets try the Utv inc. approach and bump the threads 50 times a day. It works for them. I'll do it when I'm on here.
Naw I don't want to be like a vendor. But I just spent a 1/2 hour on that Great American site.(voting) I don't want to do that too much either. Why are so many on that site unlike those on the trail. I've encountered hikers, Horse riders, 4x4s, downhill snowboarders (then hiking down) all, that just stopped to share positive comment, be helpful , and part with "have a great day". (was that a bump?)
 

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Well then lets try the Utv inc. approach and bump the threads 50 times a day. It works for them. I'll do it when I'm on here.
Naw I don't want to be like a vendor. But I just spent a 1/2 hour on that Great American site.(voting) I don't want to do that too much either. Why are so many on that site unlike those on the trail. I've encountered hikers, Horse riders, 4x4s, downhill snowboarders (then hiking down) all, that just stopped to share positive comment, be helpful , and part with "have a great day". (was that a bump?)
The anti-access pukes up there are the "radical faction" not the reasonable folks you speak of.
 

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If you read this thread then please get involved somehow; write a letter, donate to the brc, email your congressman, or vote on the great outdoors iniative. There are many ways to protect your riding and access priveledges to OUR public lands. If everyone just does one of these things to help we stand a good chance to protect our rights, but if you do nothing don't be surprised when your favorite trail is all closed up.:rm_thumbdown:
Great post familyman.

I guess people don't like mixing up serious issues with their fun. Those that want to close off access take the issues seriously, and it's all business to them.

Maybe a "save the trails day", or something similar, that's promoted to get every one of us to act on a single day a year, would help to get more people involved.
 

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Why is this so important?

A Report will be given to the President next month showing the Top Rated Ideas, so we have less than a month to Take Back the High Ground and be sure the Ideas we like are on top.

We can easily do this, after all we are the majority. So now it is time to show them they awakened the sleeping giant :chair1:. Please go to the site (America's Great Outdoors IdeaJam) and see for yourself.

PLEASE VOTE FOR (PROMOTE) any IDEAS you think are GOOD and (DEMOTE) any IDEAS you think are BAD.

Here is a list of IDEAS to PROMOTE and DEMOTE
Save The Trails

Be the kind of people who make things happen, not those who stand around wondering what happened.
 

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Bob good to see your post. Hope all is well. I'm just up from the voters trench. I did vote against a Flatulence and Obesity Agency. It took some time to be sure though!
 

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Bob good to see your post. Hope all is well. I'm just up from the voters trench. I did vote against a Flatulence and Obesity Agency. It took some time to be sure though!
Thanks Rick, glad you're up there voting! Just got back from a five week vacation stay in a number of luxury . . . . . . . hospitals. I had an accident on my property, the Doctors cited 18 things I screwed up, they fixed 17 but they told me they couldn't fix STUPID!!!

It's good to be home!
 

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Bob good to see your post. Hope all is well. I'm just up from the voters trench. I did vote against a Flatulence and Obesity Agency. It took some time to be sure though!
Thanks Rick, glad you're up there voting! Just got back from a five week vacation stay in a number of luxury . . . . . . . hospitals. I had an accident on my property, the Doctors cited 18 things I screwed up, they fixed 17 but they told me they couldn't fix STUPID!!!

It's good to be home!
We are all stupid. If they fixed all the others your in good shape. In spite of the story you have to tell or not!
 

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Demoting the Top “Greenie Innovator’s” Ideas Made Easy

You may already know this but here’s how to DEMOTE (or PROMOTE) every idea posted by anyone.

I’m using “Top Innovators” as an example because they can be found listed down the right hand side of the “Main” or “Home” AGOI page below the “What’s Hot” topics or by clicking on the “Top Innovators” choice at the top of the main screen here . . . America's Great Outdoors IdeaJam . . . but you can group anyone’s “Ideas” for nuking (DEMOTION) using this simple method.

From the “Top Innovators” list pick your favorite ahat by clicking on their name as listed which will bring up their user “Profile”. Select “Ideas” from the choices presented under the innovators name and let the fun begin!!!

Obviously, this can also be used to “PROMOTE” all the ideas of OHV FRIENDLY folks you may find and works in the “All Ideas” or any of the four “theme” areas the same way.

Hint: On the “Main” or “Home Page” most of the people listed BELOW OUR OHV FRIENDLY “Top Innovator” Chis Horgan who is with the OHV FRIENDLY organization “Save The Trails” (Save The Trails) are the Green enemas (look quickly at a few ideas to be sure).

Enjoy!!!
 

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Time is Running Out for OHV Access

There is little time remaining to cast your vote to preserve OHV access. The AGOI site will be shut down in less than ten days and the results will be presented to POTUS November 15th.

This conservation backed movement put in place by the Obama Administration must be stopped!

Honestly, it will take less than two minutes once you complete the simple site registration process to PROMOTE the Pro-OHV “Ideas” on the main page. If you have some spare time while you are there, DEMOTE the Pro-Greenie ideas contained on the same page.

There will be a bunch of pissed off politicians sitting around after November 2nd without a job, however they will still have the opportunity and power to pass very important legislation waiting before them, some of which could result in the permanent loss of access to millions more acres of YOUR PUBLIC LAND. The “green crew” is counting on these disgruntled jobless bottom feeders to do their bidding in exchange for a final cash handout or job offer from their powerful lobbyists.

We need to make our pro-access OHV voices heard loud and clear where ever the opportunity presents itself starting with the Presidents AGOI web site, the November 2nd election of course and by continuing to contact our Representatives in the House and Senate (whether you voted them out or not).

The majority of Americans are tired of our Government running every facet of our lives, mad as hell about politics as usual and the career politicians along with newly elected officials know this. They now realize that they had better start paying attention to WE THE PEOPLE if they want to keep their sweet jobs, so what better time to give them a piece of your mind?
 

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I just went and voted on a couple hundred more. It really is fast when you vote on all the ideas one person has submitted. The greenies are real easy to spot. It actually looks like people on our side have been voting and holding their own, but we definetely need to finish this strong. People please take a few minutes and vote. It is easy.
Bob did you see the idea by Lad johnson about the evil squirrel? He has some good ideas, but that one was a little off the wall. lol
 

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I just went and voted on a couple hundred more. It really is fast when you vote on all the ideas one person has submitted. The greenies are real easy to spot. It actually looks like people on our side have been voting and holding their own, but we definetely need to finish this strong. People please take a few minutes and vote. It is easy.
Bob did you see the idea by Lad johnson about the evil squirrel? He has some good ideas, but that one was a little off the wall. lol
Right on! There’s nothing more satisfying than telling the President of the United States, Ken Salazar and the Green Crew to shove it while helping to preserve OHV access!!!

Demoting the Greenies crap is more fun than playing “whack-a-mole”! I’m glad you found the grouping of greenies ideas helpful for quickly demoting their BS!!! It’s great for promoting Pro-OHV stuff too.

Yup, the “Squirrel Idea” by Lad Johnson and a “Reintroduce Wolves to Central Park” joke are examples of a dis-information campaign we did. There were several of us who did this in an effort to check the validity of the votes, the green comments and just to keep them hopping/off balance.

As you’ll see by the following examples of a couple of my submissions, the green idiots are just that . . . IDIOTS!!!

I especially liked the buy-in from Alldumb NOfatt for my “airplanes over wilderness” idea that he then copied many times (ignoring the cautions of his green peers) since when you get the FAA and commercial aircraft involved in any fight . . . BIG commerce is going to win every time and it would have been the end to new wilderness designations . . . if it ever got legs!!! Also, the fact that my “Enlist Retired Folks” is STILL winning says volumes!!!

Check out the comments in the following two posts . . . one of the people bagging on my ideas (Mr. Smith) is actually a friend of mine helping to further distract these green ahats!!! While you're in there, view all of my "Ideas" and promote the ones that make sense or that are traps to screw the green crew, just be careful to read them first . . . :rofl3:

America's Great Outdoors IdeaJam - Enlist Retired People in Helping to Maintain Wilderness

America's Great Outdoors IdeaJam - Disallow Man Made Objects in Airspace over Wilderness

We need to be especially watchful in the last hours of this deal since the greenies will try to stage a final assault so it’s VERY IMPORTANT to load up the Pro-OHV ideas with promotions well in advance!!!
 
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