[MTW]

This debate has been rattled around but not beatin' to death. I have had the pleasure of reading constantly through past threads about anything and everything..It seems that most of the Forum members have came up with the answer, They just havnt put it all together in one thread..

Why dont they go to 1000cc in 2010, well maybe 2011, I heard they have one one the shelf thats better and could release it in 2012, If the economy gets better... These are All from various past threads... Some answers I have noticed lay in the facts we have now and basically just substantial evidence.

There are more out there and I'm sure you all can help add to the list as to why it will stay the same (800cc) but here is one..

The RZR "S" doesnt have the clutch spacer that helps to limit the top speed of the Stock RZR because it has a 50" wheel base and would be more prone to rolling at the higher speed...

I guess Polaris feels that the wider wheel base is safer and makes them less reluctant to limit the speed on that model.

Most "regular" owners are happy with their RZR's performance why change something thats working so well that only a small percentage take to the extreme.. It would cost a lot of money in R&D and raise the price of the Models as well..

These are just some of the following statments thats I have extracted throughout the Forum, I could see validity in the statment that giving too much power to the average buyer could prove unsafe & spawn recalls for limiters & lawsuits.. But you could argue the opposite, Snow Machines didnt used to go 100+ either..

Feel free to chime in, I would like to hear any suggestions, in the end, Time will tell..........

 

[Mrhavasu]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

I think this will controlled by the competition. Can am has upped the power, Polaris will have to respond. Just look at the Camaro vs Mustang wars. Same thing with dirt bikes, quads, and personal watercraft, no one wants to be last.

 

[safehaven]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

no one wants to be last.

Yamaha apparently does. The Rhino has basically been unchanged in the 8 years of production, with the exception of fuel injection which did nothing to increase performance. I own a Rhino as well and think it is a great rig for what it is. But it could definitely use an update cause it is "last" and has been for several years.

 

[tinytimslaw2]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

IMO Waszak1977 has hit the nail on the head, Polaris won't increase engine size unless they increase SxS size, basically the "S" model goes faster because of the Deleted clutch spacer & exhaust, and only because Polaris increased the things wheel base. I really don't think Polaris is going to move off their current wheel base. Tim

 

[gunrunner]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

There has not been a clutch spacer in a regular rzr since oct.of 2008 , in fact the 2011 regular rzr now has the same high output motor the S models do. From polaris's veiw point IMO is why go bigger when so far bigger has not proven to be better. Everyone touted how the teryx would wipe the rzr out, laughable now as it has basically been a big flop as far as performance and sales have gone. Same thing when the arctic cat 1000 was on its way, only to be a giant heavy falure in the same categories now canam is following the same road as the other two choosing to put a big motor in a huge heavy utility type machine which other than top speed cant hold a candle to a rzr. Polaris might add a bigger motor down the line but with the rzr outselling all other utvs already i doubt they are in a big hurry.

 

[Wyomingite]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

my thoughts exactly...can-am may be faster in a straight line but the RZR has nothing to worry about in every other situation......except maybe on the farm

 

[MTW]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

I agree about the 1000's being a failure..Now Im not knockin on who owns them, but I read the review of the Can Am "commander 1000" and they ended that review with... "much left to be desired, still doesnt stack up to the Polaris RZR" and that was an unbiased review.. The RZR just has a great layout, Im talking about engine placment, Low center of gravity, These are things that unless the competition fixes, RZR will remain ON TOP no matter how big they push their engines! + with the weight to power ratio.. its still leaves us doing just fine.. I still havnt seen anything that would spawn Polaris to make the "Jump" to a larger engine?

 

[Magnus1]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

I understand not going to the 1000 but why not the 850 that's in the XP? That thing is top heavy and is only 48" wide. 70hp in the rzr with the power to weight would be a beast.

 

[strracerx]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

no one wants to be last.

Yamaha apparently does. The Rhino has basically been unchanged in the 8 years of production, with the exception of fuel injection which did nothing to increase performance. I own a Rhino as well and think it is a great rig for what it is. But it could definitely use an update cause it is "last" and has been for several years.

i think yamaha is waiting for all their legal cases to be over before releasing a new style rhino... that and they made too many models and did not sell enough.

 

[medik418]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

I understand not going to the 1000 but why not the 850 that's in the XP? That thing is top heavy and is only 48" wide. 70hp in the rzr with the power to weight would be a beast.

Touche! I think you hit the nail on it's provberbial head. Polaris is satisfied with what they are offering the general public. It's not a question of safety. If it were they wouldn't offer the 850XP! That thing is inherently more dangerous to the human body than a RZR at any horsepower level. Not knocking quads, but anything with a seatbelt and roll over protectoin has to be safer than a quad with 70 horses that any moron with a checkbook can buy and go try to kill hisself.
I think Polaris is happy with the level of performance the RZR is capable of and more important, the profit margin and entry price for the RZR is apparently working for the sales department. The economy is still in the crapper and to still be selling 12-15,000 dollar toys in the numbers they are is testament to the fact that they are doing something right.
Should they raise the price five grand and make it with 80 horses or let their customers decide how to raise the performance of their own toys?

I would love to see them just offer the same 70 horses the XP gets for once. I could add 5000 bucks to my 09 standard RZR and stomp a commander into the mud but that's not in the cards for me.
Five grand is a lot of money for some folks and it would probably make or break a decision to buy if that were the option a new buyer was faced with.

I dont' see a bigger engine until the economy recovers a bit more and people start spending money again.

 

[gsxr702]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

I agree about the 1000's being a failure..Now Im not knockin on who owns them, but I read the review of the Can Am "commander 1000" and they ended that review with... "much left to be desired, still doesnt stack up to the Polaris RZR" and that was an unbiased review.. The RZR just has a great layout, Im talking about engine placment, Low center of gravity, These are things that unless the competition fixes, RZR will remain ON TOP no matter how big they push their engines! + with the weight to power ratio.. its still leaves us doing just fine.. I still havnt seen anything that would spawn Polaris to make the "Jump" to a larger engine?

Where did you see the review that said .

Can Am "commander 1000" and they ended that review with... "much left to be desired,

would like to read that myself .
Thanks

 

[Johnny]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

some times COMPETITION makes companys offer better products at lower prices or people just dont buy thier product

a : the effort of two or more parties acting independently to secure the business of a third party by offering the most favorable terms

 

[rwillden]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

no one wants to be last.

Yamaha apparently does. The Rhino has basically been unchanged in the 8 years of production, with the exception of fuel injection which did nothing to increase performance. I own a Rhino as well and think it is a great rig for what it is. But it could definitely use an update cause it is "last" and has been for several years.

i think yamaha is waiting for all their legal cases to be over before releasing a new style rhino... that and they made too many models and did not sell enough.

A buddy of mine drives truck for Yamaha delivering machines to and from their warehouses to dealers, and he said "You'd be amazed at the amount of inventory Yamaha has right now of older machines. Yamahas warehouse is still full of '08 and '09 Rhinos, and other machines." He went on to say that the fact that they had over estimated production, and had so many frames, motors, etc was why their lineup was largely unchanged even though there were spy photos of a 4 seater with significant changes circulating the web from over a year ago.

 

[8ball_99]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

Well you have a point about people might not buy them if a larger motor mint 5 grand more on the sticker.. But the fact is Polaris can add a little power MUCH cheaper then we can.. To hit 70 hp now your looking at 4grand.. I'm sure polaris could do it from the factory for much less. I'm sure a RZR-SS model with 70+hp would sell like crazy IMHO

I've not heard to many good things about the commander.. They had 3 demo models at brimestone labor day weekend.. Even my wife didn't like them and she wanted a freaking Rhino when I bought the RZR.. Commander also lost to a RZR in the obstacle course race Its just to big and heavy.

 

[MTW]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

I agree about the 1000's being a failure..Now Im not knockin on who owns them, but I read the review of the Can Am "commander 1000" and they ended that review with... "much left to be desired, still doesnt stack up to the Polaris RZR" and that was an unbiased review.. The RZR just has a great layout, Im talking about engine placment, Low center of gravity, These are things that unless the competition fixes, RZR will remain ON TOP no matter how big they push their engines! + with the weight to power ratio.. its still leaves us doing just fine.. I still havnt seen anything that would spawn Polaris to make the "Jump" to a larger engine?

Where did you see the review that said .

Can Am "commander 1000" and they ended that review with... "much left to be desired,

would like to read that myself .
Thanks

I know right! that quote was too good to even make up!!!
The quote is right here in my mountain of magazines, give me a little while I'll pull the Magazine title , month and issue + name of the article, I was pretty surprised!

While on the same thought (Commander) I wonder what the cost relation will be to get it up to the handling of the RZR..Then again we can compare ALL day and it still seems like apple to oranges..even though they are both sidexsides... I dont think it looks bad at all, Personally I like the "seperation" the Rhino and Commander have between driver & passenger, I know its not for cosmetic reasons, But I like having my feet in my own well.
The Commander also took a pounding in the article for not being "sensitive" to those who still want to ride 50" trails, as the RZR gives you that option.. Again, another reason the RZR is leaving others with extra stock, I really Like that if you plan from the beginning to add LT and other Modifications such as upgraded shocks ect.. you can get the RZR not the S and save all that $$ towards what you want to make it your own!

A good point about the 850, but will that engine fit in the RZR or would they have to make a new engine?? I havnt seen that ATV.

 

[8ball_99]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

From what I understand the 850 would be backwards in a RZR.. I didn't really mean that motor, I just mint Polaris could up the Hp if they wanted to for much less then the aftermarket options. They have numbers on their side. Much easier to recoup R&D and they also pay less for the materials. Just a True 800cc motor would go a long way. As we have seen with Hotz kits

 

[eltex]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

Well, the one thing they teach you in marketing is cannibalism of your own product should never be an issue, because if you don't make the improvments, someone else will. Therefore, I suspect the standard RZR will one day have a larger motor, doing 60-70HP. They got kinda lucky with Can-Am. If can-am had tweaked the design to be 50-54", they would get a lot of customers.

 

[FunRide]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

I understand not going to the 1000 but why not the 850 that's in the XP? That thing is top heavy and is only 48" wide. 70hp in the rzr with the power to weight would be a beast.

XP850 top heavy? It's the most stable and smooth ATV I've ever ridden. You want "top heavy", take a ride on a Grizzly.

 

[MTW]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

Why do they call the rzr, the RZR800, or 800EFI its a 760? Yamaha called there Grizzly the Grizzly660 not 700, I can see if there is only a few cc's differance, But I dont understand the bolstering of 40cc here, and I own it?? just drives me nuts, you wouldnt make a 10cc and sell it as a 50?? I bought my son a 90cc Polaris Sportsman and if it was 50cc I would be pissed!! if someone has this answer i'd really like to know this one! and "for Marketing" is a crappy thing for Polaris to say... I was actually disapointed when I found out it wasnt a true 800, or even close to an 800....

 

[gsxr702]

Re: An answer to the "Will Polaris install a larger Motor in the RZRs Future?" Questi

I agree about the 1000's being a failure..Now Im not knockin on who owns them, but I read the review of the Can Am "commander 1000" and they ended that review with... "much left to be desired, still doesnt stack up to the Polaris RZR" and that was an unbiased review.. The RZR just has a great layout, Im talking about engine placment, Low center of gravity, These are things that unless the competition fixes, RZR will remain ON TOP no matter how big they push their engines! + with the weight to power ratio.. its still leaves us doing just fine.. I still havnt seen anything that would spawn Polaris to make the "Jump" to a larger engine?

Where did you see the review that said .

Can Am "commander 1000" and they ended that review with... "much left to be desired,





would like to read that myself .
Thanks

I know right! that quote was too good to even make up!!!
The quote is right here in my mountain of magazines, give me a little while I'll pull the Magazine title , month and issue + name of the article, I was pretty surprised!

While on the same thought (Commander) I wonder what the cost relation will be to get it up to the handling of the RZR..Then again we can compare ALL day and it still seems like apple to oranges..even though they are both sidexsides... I dont think it looks bad at all, Personally I like the "seperation" the Rhino and Commander have between driver & passenger, I know its not for cosmetic reasons, But I like having my feet in my own well.
The Commander also took a pounding in the article for not being "sensitive" to those who still want to ride 50" trails, as the RZR gives you that option.. Again, another reason the RZR is leaving others with extra stock, I really Like that if you plan from the beginning to add LT and other Modifications such as upgraded shocks ect.. you can get the RZR not the S and save all that $$ towards what you want to make it your own!

A good point about the 850, but will that engine fit in the RZR or would they have to make a new engine?? I havnt seen that ATV.

That would be Cool . All the stuff Ive seen says very good things about the Commander. Would like to see an read more .

Thanks

I have a RZR with HCR Racing long travel on it so I hear what you are saying