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post #1 of 18 Old March 20th, 2017, 12:09 PM Thread Starter
 
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Looking for feedback on shock therapist sage 3+ vs4

So after lots of reading and looking what springs are out there going to pull the trigger on at least stage 3+ but just want some review on any one that had stage 3+ and then put the lower rear springs on making it a 4. I put a stage 4 on a 2014 4 seat 1k and the costumer loves it but the 17 turbo is a total different animal. Also any one running walker links with any of there spring kits or shock work.
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I have the 3+. The stock lower is almost the perfect spring rate, so I don't see the need to spend the extra money.

With the stock springs I ran with the rear sway bar disconnected. I loved it. When I put the 3+ springs on, I hooked the sway bar back up. It handled good, but the rear didn't articulate at all. So I disconnected the sway bar again. It rock crawls better then ever, but cornering SUCKS! So now I'm considering the Walker links. But I'm also researching installing a small hydraulic ram with a valve next to the seat that will allow me to "disconnect" the sway bar while driving.
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I have the 3+. The stock lower is almost the perfect spring rate, so I don't see the need to spend the extra money.

With the stock springs I ran with the rear sway bar disconnected. I loved it. When I put the 3+ springs on, I hooked the sway bar back up. It handled good, but the rear didn't articulate at all. So I disconnected the sway bar again. It rock crawls better then ever, but cornering SUCKS! So now I'm considering the Walker links. But I'm also researching installing a small hydraulic ram with a valve next to the seat that will allow me to "disconnect" the sway bar while driving.
have you done the shock therapy valving also or just the 3+ spring kit? I am also considering options.... Fox does there complete kit for 1500 which is cheaper than shock therapy, but if I can just do springs for 750 than I might go that way... thanks!!
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No valving yet. I'm looking into valving options only because I've heard how much better it can be. But the car with just the springs works so good, that I really need to ride in someone's car that has both springs and a revalve to see if it's "necessary". I too considered Fox's kit, but I've read that their customer service sucks and the turn around can take a month or two. Plus it's not going to be custom sprung and revalved for your setup.
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The fox box set up is not a revalve it is just putting on there high and low speed adjusters. If you have a old fox addition they change the valves to the turbo set up from what they told me at camp rzr so it's 1100 for there springs and 100per shock for the adjusters. St doesn't care for the adjusters as they posted on here comparing there set up to the fox. He stated that they slow down the oil flow and he didn't like how that affected the handling. In more news to throw one more hat in the ring racer tech just released there springs for the turbos. 1000.00 I also have heard that Pac spring is going to come out with a kit. I would bet that they are making the racer tech springs. It's not like there is tons of spring manufactures. I like the hydraulic valve idea. You have a link to the write up with that picture? Lot of ultra4 cars have similar set up so that. Most use air to activate a cylinder that engages and disengages the swaybar.
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Re: Looking for feedback on shock therapist sage 3+ vs4

Also pondering the stage 3 kit for xpt4

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Re: Looking for feedback on shock therapist sage 3+ vs4

I have commented on this on the suspension section. My 2017 XPT4 has the Shock Therapy stage 3. I have run the car in both the desert and dunes and the suspension simply works awesome. The ST stage 3 does create substantially more body roll vs stock which is why the upgraded rear sway bar is recommended.

I have the Walker Links and here are my thoughts..... The WE links have no business on the car in the dunes and I ran the solid links with the sway bar on the next to firmest setting. In the desert I tried the car with both Walker Evans links and hated the body roll in turns. It worked awesome in straight sections and on bumps/rocks, but in turns the body roll was pretty bad and the car would also come down unbalanced from big table tops when the suspension was completely unloaded. I then tried 1 Link and 1 solid link and that seemed to be a great compromise for AZ desert riding. There is some body roll but not excessive and the 1 link allowed the suspension to work independently up to a point. That combination worked good for my car and my style of desert driving.
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I have the 3+. The stock lower is almost the perfect spring rate, so I don't see the need to spend the extra money.

With the stock springs I ran with the rear sway bar disconnected. I loved it. When I put the 3+ springs on, I hooked the sway bar back up. It handled good, but the rear didn't articulate at all. So I disconnected the sway bar again. It rock crawls better then ever, but cornering SUCKS! So now I'm considering the Walker links. But I'm also researching installing a small hydraulic ram with a valve next to the seat that will allow me to "disconnect" the sway bar while driving.


I own the patent on that system. Coming in the next few months this system will be available to the public. It might be available on new UTVs as an option in two years as well.

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I have the 3+. The stock lower is almost the perfect spring rate, so I don't see the need to spend the extra money.

With the stock springs I ran with the rear sway bar disconnected. I loved it. When I put the 3+ springs on, I hooked the sway bar back up. It handled good, but the rear didn't articulate at all. So I disconnected the sway bar again. It rock crawls better then ever, but cornering SUCKS! So now I'm considering the Walker links. But I'm also researching installing a small hydraulic ram with a valve next to the seat that will allow me to "disconnect" the sway bar while driving.


I own the patent on that system. Coming in the next few months this system will be available to the public. It might be available on new UTVs as an option in two years as well.

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Hmmmm, maybe I will let you guys install that on my XPT when I bring it in in May for my work. I would not charge you a penny to be a field tester

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That's cool that you pushing the sport with innovative stuff What a great time to be alive. The set up the has a control valve is it just in or off or can u tune the affect of the bar?
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Re: Looking for feedback on shock therapist sage 3+ vs4

I'm going to guess and say it just has a metering valve so it is adjustable and fully open is like no sway bar?

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If the hydraulic cylinder they used was like the Walker link and only had one or 2 inches of travel, then it could be a metering valve and an open position. But since they're using a long cylinder to give you the full articulation, it would have to be just an on or off valve.
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Well stage 4 will be here Monday I will post up how it rides.
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Well stage 4 will be here Monday I will post up how it rides.
Just about to order same with rear sway 4 seater 2014
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