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post #31 of 39 Old December 30th, 2017, 03:18 PM
 
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Go to the Shock Therapyst website and look under instructions and find your model specific instructions!
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I did that. Don't see instructions for needle valve shocks. Just the Fox Internal Bypass
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http://shocktherapyst.com/content/in...0-2-4-seat.pdf

The 2018 turbo with Walker Evens shocks have the same shocks as the 2017 and 18 xp1000. I would look at that. The only problem is the 17 and 18 xp 1000 don't have two springs in the front. But there should be enough info there for u.

If not then I would call ST.
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http://shocktherapyst.com/content/in...0-2-4-seat.pdf

The 2018 turbo with Walker Evens shocks have the same shocks as the 2017 and 18 xp1000. I would look at that. The only problem is the 17 and 18 xp 1000 don't have two springs in the front. But there should be enough info there for u.

If not then I would call ST.


Installing your crossovers on a predetermined measurement off the shock body is incorrect. If you find your car needing more or less preload, you’ll need to readjust your crossovers.
You set your ride height, then jack the car up and adjust your crossovers according to a measurement between your divider and crossovers depending on how tall your tender is. For instance, if your tender is 10”, half is coil bind (5”) so start with say 4.75”-4.5” and adjust as necessary if you bottom


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Problem is, its not normal. Our 3.0 springs rarely hit our crossovers. I just installed a set of ST springs for a customer. Not a fan. You need spring compressors because the springs are WAAAY too long. There is no need for that much spring, the shock only travels so far. and yes, I noticed those huge crossovers rubbing the springs just installing them. I definitely don't badmouth anybody in the industry except those use Chinese crap!, but IMO, it's a huge problem. I see so many shock bodies ruined, crossovers all mangled (esp the ones with "silent" o-rings?) You will have wear from the divider, just no way to stop that, but the springs should NOT rub your components.

RED DOG,

This is not about you... Or your products.... You are Undermining and basically disrespecting another supporting vendor. NOT COOL.... I personally have notice you hijacking a lot of the suspension threads... Easy Big Dog. Take it down a notch.

I understand you may be trying to help or promote your business but wow. There are other ways of doing that. He has ST products and you are basically telling him that is spring suck and yours are better. That may be the case but I think that would sound better coming from a non supporting member. But heck what do I know... Good luck....

If you want to talk about another companies products good or bad start your own thread. Let this guy get help, not a bashing on how his springs suck and your not a fan.... That does not help him at all. But it does promote your product.

The vendors are starting to ruin this site.. So please, please lets keep the topic to helping the person who needs it.....

By the way I have ST springs and revalve. No rubbing here. So maybe there is a problem with the install or defective product.
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Problem is, its not normal. Our 3.0 springs rarely hit our crossovers. I just installed a set of ST springs for a customer. Not a fan. You need spring compressors because the springs are WAAAY too long. There is no need for that much spring, the shock only travels so far. and yes, I noticed those huge crossovers rubbing the springs just installing them. I definitely don't badmouth anybody in the industry except those use Chinese crap!, but IMO, it's a huge problem. I see so many shock bodies ruined, crossovers all mangled (esp the ones with "silent" o-rings?) You will have wear from the divider, just no way to stop that, but the springs should NOT rub your components.

RED DOG,

This is not about you... Or your products.... You are Undermining and basically disrespecting another supporting vendor. NOT COOL.... I personally have notice you hijacking a lot of the suspension threads... Easy Big Dog. Take it down a notch.

I understand you may be trying to help or promote your business but wow. There are other ways of doing that. He has ST products and you are basically telling him that is spring suck and yours are better. That may be the case but I think that would sound better coming from a non supporting member. But heck what do I know... Good luck....

If you want to talk about another companies products good or bad start your own thread. Let this guy get help, not a bashing on how his springs suck and your not a fan.... That does not help him at all. But it does promote your product.

The vendors are starting to ruin this site.. So please, please lets keep the topic to helping the person who needs it.....

By the way I have ST springs and revalve. No rubbing here. So maybe there is a problem with the install or defective product.


I apologize to those offended there. I’ll pull it and keep my mouth shut. Enjoy your springs and Happy New Years


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Re: Am I screwing up my Shock Therapy spring install?

I'm the OP on this thread you can see my original video in the 1st post. It's now been a year and a couple months on ST setup and the crossover is wasted and my shock body is getting badly worn. When people look over my RZR they always point out and ask what is wrong with my shocks.

I currently cannot recommend ST to anyone. I am working with their customer service to see if anything can be done. But really what can be done, even replacing the crossover is not going to stop the destruction of my shock body and any new crossovers. Here's the current state of my shocks.

2017 RZR 1000XP, Crawler Edition LE - Cooter Brown roof, lower Doors, Dewalt DS300, Rigg Gear cooler & door bags, Nyne Rock Bluetooth speaker, LUX LED rock & interior lights, Mictuning winch & light switches, Polaris XL front fender flares, SuperATV side & rear Exoskeleton, STM Rage Primary & Secondary Clutch, FireStorm under dash heater, Shock Therapy stage III, DIY LED whips, Ryfab folding windshield, WolfSnout cab cooler.
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Mine are just as bad with the stage 4 kit. At this point, I fully expect my shocks to blow out as I am sure at some point, it will eat through the sidewall. I have tried their recommendation of rotating them to help center them up, but nothing has worked for me. I love the ride, but I fear the cost of eventually buying 4 new shocks due to this will not be worth it.

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Re: Am I screwing up my Shock Therapy spring install?

First lets get this out of the way.... yes we are a vendor here and yes, although few know it we offer Bilstein shocks for the XP & XPT. Very good shock and easy to maintain and service. We could go on, but not here to sell you shocks.

Something to consider.....
Most manufactures design and engineer their shocks as a complete set up and take into consideration the use of crossover rings if the shock is intended to be used as such. Crossover rings typically are solid in nature and are threaded onto the body. This allows them to keep the cross section thinner avoiding constant contact with the spring. A two piece bolt together or pinch clamp style cross over may be convenient to install but due to it's thicker cross section to accommodate the screws is simply brings them much closer to the I.d. of the spring and contact with the spring is almost unavoidable.

As for the plastic spring separator, they are considered a wear item. But they do need to be sized correctly for the shock. They can make contact with the body, but typically should do no damage. They can also crack under hard use or being aggressive on setting crossover. If you are running in wet, muddy gritty conditions this wear will happen much more rapidly. If you do not keep them clean and grit builds up between the separator and body, then yes damage to the body will occur.

Springs.... if the springs are good quality they should compress evenly through there intended compression, not fold over to one side or the other. Not sure about the whole clocking the spring thing, all the years of using quality springs it's not something I have had to worry about.

So keep those shocks clean, and maybe see if the shock manufacture themselves offer a solid cross over ring that can be installed on your set up.
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