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post #1 of 11 Old October 3rd, 2018, 03:33 PM Thread Starter
 
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Skats vs stu blackbirds

Hey guys i am really contemplating going from my 30x13x14 skat on Douglas ultimate sports route(light and high performance) to the Stu black bird and tribute route. I like the idea of more 2wd duning and throwing the back end around a little more bc the steering bite is there on the front end.....does anyone have any good valid opinions or history with both? Thanks. I will always love my Skats, specially on my Yxz but with this 4 seat xpt4, it seems kinda funny to me to still think I’m fast through the dunes. Big ole bus lol. Just playing she does alright i just miss the thrill of 2 seats! Anyways back to the paddles! Go!


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Have you talked to [email protected] Sand Sports...he is a huge help always.
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I 2nd Fullerton who sell Skats and STUs. He also just released his own line a few weeks ago which is what I plan on going to.
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Re: Skats vs stu blackbirds

Yeah those new paddles are cool but they remind me A lot of the old Jeep paddles of the 90s with the fronts. That will be a little too much bite for a lot of folks who are new to duning and put her in 4wd and come off a steep dune with a little too much throttle and those fronts are going to bite and roll them right on over. But for hill climbs I’m
Sure they will b great. I like the stu tribute personally, but i am scared to go away from the ever so wonderful skats.... i remember my first set was when i went from sand strippers (999$)lol to Skats (1500$) on my
YXZ and that thing came alive, i did a lot of motor work after that but the first trip was stock and the Skats made a dramatic diff with long steep hill climbs and getting out of the hole fast! So ya i wish a couple more guys would jump in with the opinions as a guy wants my
Skats today so i need to decide. Thanks guys!


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I prefer the tributes. Don’t get me wrong love skats, but for the price they just don’t hold up good enough for the long haul. I have had sets punctured by random pieces of wood laying around the dunes. I’m not talking something big, small twig like wood lol. I’ve had paddles rip from riding short distance on some packed in sand highway type dirt. For the cost of them, they’re just too prone to damage and quite simply I’m tired of throwing away more money than I have too. Tributes largely avoid all those issues and can truly last the life of your Rzr. I’m far more into long term value now, over the lightest and fastest that may not make it through a single season or may last 3 seasons, if you’re careful and baby them as needed.
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What about the weight difference? How much more do they weight. Skats save the belt which is 200$ a “pop” lol


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I have the Tribute/Birds and couldn’t be happier. Got into a witches eye once. Hit the 4x4 and front paddles helped pull me out. The other 2 that didn’t have front traction could not get out, worked so well, that the others got birds/tributes soon after. The skats are a much softer casing due the rubber removal for vulcanizing process. For fast line, up hill, lightweight performance that’s what I have on my Raptor 700. But the RZR is heavy and I want more control. the birds feel more firm when carving and hard turns when in Glamis. Plus, like stated earlier, the thicker casing is a life saver when in Oregon when riding on the branches/sticks. Call Fullerton and explain where you ride, how you ride and they will be beyond helpful regarding the diff types tread cutting, and what suits you best. (Notice the xp4 is completely diff cut than the S model) I’ve worked it the tire industry for 23 years and can verify that they know sand tires best.
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I have the Tribute/Birds and couldn’t be happier. Got into a witches eye once. Hit the 4x4 and front paddles helped pull me out. The other 2 that didn’t have front traction could not get out, worked so well, that the others got birds/tributes soon after. The skats are a much softer casing due the rubber removal for vulcanizing process. For fast line, up hill, lightweight performance that’s what I have on my Raptor 700. But the RZR is heavy and I want more control. the birds feel more firm when carving and hard turns when in Glamis. Plus, like stated earlier, the thicker casing is a life saver when in Oregon when riding on the branches/sticks. Call Fullerton and explain where you ride, how you ride and they will be beyond helpful regarding the diff types tread cutting, and what suits you best. (Notice the xp4 is completely diff cut than the S model) I’ve worked it the tire industry for 23 years and can verify that they know sand tires best.


Thank you for your opinion and experience. Do you happen to know the diff in weight? And how r the tributes/birds on your stock clutching? Any broken belts. Although most snapped belts have to do with pedal/throttle control and experience of the driver, they also can be assisted by a heavy tire/wheel combo. I also know that stu is one of the lightest paddles out but the birds in a 31” seem aggressive


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I have the Tribute/Birds and couldn’t be happier. Got into a witches eye once. Hit the 4x4 and front paddles helped pull me out. The other 2 that didn’t have front traction could not get out, worked so well, that the others got birds/tributes soon after. The skats are a much softer casing due the rubber removal for vulcanizing process. For fast line, up hill, lightweight performance that’s what I have on my Raptor 700. But the RZR is heavy and I want more control. the birds feel more firm when carving and hard turns when in Glamis. Plus, like stated earlier, the thicker casing is a life saver when in Oregon when riding on the branches/sticks. Call Fullerton and explain where you ride, how you ride and they will be beyond helpful regarding the diff types tread cutting, and what suits you best. (Notice the xp4 is completely diff cut than the S model) I’ve worked it the tire industry for 23 years and can verify that they know sand tires best.


Thank you for your opinion and experience. Do you happen to know the diff in weight? And how r the tributes/birds on your stock clutching? Any broken belts. Although most snapped belts have to do with pedal/throttle control and experience of the driver, they also can be assisted by a heavy tire/wheel combo. I also know that stu is one of the lightest paddles out but the birds in a 31” seem aggressive


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I don’t know the exact weight diff, but for my personal riding and what I need, weight is not a factor. I have a Trinity clutch and it is dialed for 31” tires. When I did run with stock clutch, I only burned one belt and that was my fault, not tire related. Fullerton has multiple cut designs based on you and your machine. They can comp cut to save weight, trim paddle edges or even remove an entire paddle, depending on clutch, riding locations, horsepower and driving style. Everyone I know that has them are beyond satisfied.
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Re: Skats vs stu blackbirds

So if i go with the bird/tribute setup in 31” w a #1 paddle do u guys think i need to clutch it


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So if i go with the bird/tribute setup in 31” w a #1 paddle do u guys think i need to clutch it


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Have to, no, but I would.
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