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post #1 of 70 Old May 22nd, 2019, 04:47 AM Thread Starter
 
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How Many Wished They Got The Turbo?

Trying to decide on whether or not to forget about the turbo. There are only 2 reasons why I want a turbo: the beefier drivetrain and the dunes. The problem is Iíll only be hitting the dunes a few times a year. The other many handful of times will be on trails and rocks, hence why I am considering the XP 1000 is plenty for what I need. Yes I know of the Trails & Rocks LE with lower gears, but still even trying to determine if the extra $5k is worth it for the TRE.

Because it will be mainly used on trails and crawling, I will absolutely put a Duraclutch on it so I can throw some 32s on there and also reap the benefits of some engine breaking. Not to mention the belt life the Duraclutch offers.

But long story short, I still want to rip on the dunes. Will the 1000 still perform well on the dunes and just flat out riding? Or will I be wanting more?
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post #2 of 70 Old May 22nd, 2019, 05:07 AM
 
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Re: How Many Wished They Got The Turbo?

If you want to go to the dunes, get the Turbo, period!

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Re: How Many Wished They Got The Turbo?

I have both. The turbo has cab heat and under loads it gets toasty at times. The extra power is nice for sure. My xp1k still rips in the dunes too, without the heater being on...
When it gets above 90 its time to remove the windshield. If your up in the high country its kinda nice to have the warmth.
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Re: How Many Wished They Got The Turbo?

I went back and forth on this, but hereís my opinion. The turbo has beefier drivetrain parts, but youíre also running a lot more power through it. Go on youtube and youíll see the turbos break just as much as the 1k when beat on. The heavier steering parts and bigger brakes are nice to have, but I also feel like the brakes on my 1k are rock solid.

To me it came down to ďdo I really need, or even want the extra power?Ē Of course, who doesnít want more power? But there are some downsides; You have to run premium fuel which can be hard to come by in remote areas, itís recommended to allow longer idle time after riding before shutting down the engine, and of course the added complexity of the machine for repairs and maintenance. Also cab heat as others mentioned, and price.

Iíve got ~600 miles on my machine and Iím an aggressive trail rider on the East coast. Never once did I feel like I needed more power. Itís hard to break 60mph on the trails I ride without feeling like youíre either beating the machine, or itís just plain dangerous. I will never ride dunes. There are none near me and it just doesnít appeal to me at all. In a local race series the turbos donít have an advantage because you can only push the belts so far. In last years Baja 1000 the 1st place N/A car actually finished ahead of the first place turbo car. Both RZRs.

The TRE to me was just too much coin to justify what you got. If I could have gotten the gearing for an extra thousand bucks Iíd have jumped on it. But the rest of the add-ons I prefer to do myself and make it my own.

I donít regret buying the XP1K over the turbo, but there are a lot of guys who do. If I HAD got the turbo, I donít think Iíd regret that either. Just perfectly happy with my choice is all. The turbo is better than the 1k in many ways, but itís not for everyone.
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Re: How Many Wished They Got The Turbo?

Over 4K miles on my Ď14 xp1k. When I bought it there was no turbo. I was bummed when the turbo came out. Iíve ridden dunes a few times, and more power is nice.

However.

My 1k runs like mad. Especially since dialing the clutch for my altitude, I have no complaints about power on trails. Iíve done a ECU tune from superatv, eliminating the torque limits and low-Range speed limit. With the clutch and ECU, up at sand mountain I had no trouble at all keeping up with an x3rs.

The 1k has the power and immediacy to get me going faster on a trail than is reasonably safe in just a few seconds.

Honestly, The appeal of the turbo still lurks. But Iím not disappointed in my 1k at all. Itís solid, and makes enough power to have fun in the sand when I want to.


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Re: How Many Wished They Got The Turbo?

Bottom line, the XPT (S) is a better machine in EVERY category than a XP.
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Re: How Many Wished They Got The Turbo?

Non-turbo is plenty fast enough for me, but of course...............I'm getting old.
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Re: How Many Wished They Got The Turbo?

3,000 on my 16 XP1K and love it. Do I want 168HP over 110HP yes do I need it no. Live in MN and ride lost of mud and hard trails. Hauled it to St Anthony last September with the big horns at 8 PSI and it was fine and a ton of fun. Man you go through the fuel in the sand WOW!!!! I also saved 5K so now I have all the goodies at the cost of a bare bones TURBO. To each their own the XP1K will pull dunes and you will smile will it high mark like a TURBO or get there as fast? NO but it is still the best drug every ripping the dunes. I am going back with my trusty old XP1K.
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Re: How Many Wished They Got The Turbo?

sure I would like to have the turbo hp, but 75% of my riding is in tight slow rocky goat trails in AZ, I'll just do with what we have as it works great and it's paid for
way back in 2014, the only turbo's out there were aftermarket kits that cost a bunch.
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Re: How Many Wished They Got The Turbo?

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Bottom line, the XPT (S) is a better machine in EVERY category than a XP.


Price is a category. Also, reliability and cabin heat are categories as well. Rock-crawling is a category.

The XP is a better machine in AT LEAST these four categories. Just saying.


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Bottom line, the XPT (S) is a better machine in EVERY category than a XP.


Price is a category. Also, reliability and cabin heat are categories as well. Rock-crawling is a category.

The XP is a better machine in AT LEAST these four categories. Just saying.


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Awfully bold statements...


Price is lower on the 1k, that doesnít make it better, unless your purely basing your choice on price, in which case, the 570 is best!

I will acknowledge there is more cabin heat in a Turbo, but more Cabin heat is better in the winter, so that one is a draw, unless your purely basing your choice on the least cabin heat, in which case the 570 is best!

reliability is entirely dependent on the care taken of the machine, and with Polaris it can be a matter f luck. Iíve never had an issue that wasnít self inflicted with my turbo in 1675 miles, a guy with 10k miles on a 16 XPT just posted the other day, and I see just as many people post issues with 1kís as I do Turbos on here.

and rock crawling....... that oneís just funny, neither machine is ďbetterĒ at rock crawling, since itís primarily driver dependent, but the Turbo has components that are better suited for the abuse


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Bottom line, the XPT (S) is a better machine in EVERY category than a XP.


Price is a category. Also, reliability and cabin heat are categories as well. Rock-crawling is a category.

The XP is a better machine in AT LEAST these four categories. Just saying.


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Awfully bold statements...


Price is lower on the 1k, that doesnít make it better, unless your purely basing your choice on price, in which case, the 570 is best!

I will acknowledge there is more cabin heat in a Turbo, but more Cabin heat is better in the winter, so that one is a draw, unless your purely basing your choice on the least cabin heat, in which case the 570 is best!

reliability is entirely dependent on the care taken of the machine, and with Polaris it can be a matter f luck. Iíve never had an issue that wasnít self inflicted with my turbo in 1675 miles, a guy with 10k miles on a 16 XPT just posted the other day, and I see just as many people post issues with 1kís as I do Turbos on here.

and rock crawling....... that oneís just funny, neither machine is ďbetterĒ at rock crawling, since itís primarily driver dependent, but the Turbo has components that are better suited for the abuse


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Lol. I donít remember the topic of this thread having anything to do with the 570. You said the XPT is better in every category than the xp1k. Youíre creating a dialogue irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Iím pretty sure the XPT has taller gearing. Thereís also the issue of turbo lag, both negatives in the world of rock crawling. As for the ďbetter suitedĒ components, I donít agree. They are better suited to the amount of power one might apply using a 168hp motor. Not sure they would hold up any better than an xp1k, honestly. Just the gearing alone is enough to win this category.

Yes, price is a category, and in the category of price, the xp1k is the winner. How are you even trying to argue that? The 570 has nothing to do with this thread. The xp1k is better for my retirement fund. Period.

Sure, cabin heat can be a plus in the winter. Iíll give you that. But you can put heat in the cabin of an xp1k to make it warmer in the winter. You canít take heat OUT of the XPT, in the warmer months. Clearly, there will be times when the XPT will be uncomfortably warm, and the xp1k will not. Potentially, this could mean the XPT will have a shorter window of usefulness than the xp1k. The xp1k therefore wins in this category.

As for reliability, thereís no doubt there will be some high/mile turbos. Still, trying to argue that a turbocharged machine will have better reliability and longevity than its N/A counterpart is disingenuous. There are just more points of failure, some of which can be catastrophic.



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Re: How Many Wished They Got The Turbo?

Going to be honest I have 2 2012 XP900, 1 2016 XP1K4, 1 2015 XP1K4 Z1, and a Turbo S, since I got the turbo S I have not used anything else, it does rock crawling, dunes, trails, and desert so well that it is really the only car I need! Even my Dad likes it so much he has been riding shot gun, it has the comfort, power, and reliability that I have been looking for for a long time!
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I wish I would have gotten a turbo now that Ive had mine a bit. Maybe not so much for the power, but mainly for the beefier drive train.
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There is no perceptible lag with this tiny turbo. I have had a WRX, want to feel lag? Try that on. Get the turbo. I had a regular 900 then a General then a Turbo. XPT wins wins WINS. I trail ride, no dunes here buddy and it owns everything I throw at it.
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