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post #1 of 22 Old May 11th, 2019, 05:40 PM Thread Starter
 
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Primary Belt to shieve clearance

Hey everyone just curious what the belt to shieve clearance should be on a XP 1000. And wondering if there is any benefit to tightening it up. I have over .120" and find my engagement to be a bit "notchy" .

I come from a snowmobiling background and belt to shieve is talked about alot on sleds and thought it was weird that I couldn't find any info on it for RZR.


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Re: Primary Belt to shieve clearance

I asked the same question a few years ago. No one had an answer for me.
So I took the thing apart and machined the spider (no shims to remove in mine) a bit to close up the clearance to around .060".
Seems to engage way smoother IMO. I have over 5000 miles on the clutch with no issues.

You may like it, you may hate it. I was willing to take a shot.
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Did you concern yourself with the balance of the primary? I considered machining it in a way that would result in the spider turning one full turn so as not to affect the balance. That would close down the gap by 0.087" I think (off the top of my head) putting me in the 0.030-0.040" range. I talked to a guy at SLP but he was pretty noncommittal about the benefit, whether I would need to rebalance, etc. Seems to me it would definitely be a benefit since I think I have around 0.125" clearance now.
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It would be beneficial but the reason you don't see it commericially available is so many vehicles are not perfectly aligned so when you tighten it up it has to be and has to stay that way.

I wanted to make our belts wider to take of that space but this is the reason we can't. I would be getting this as a review if I did, " Put the Hunterworks belt on and now my machines grinds into gear and with my oem it does not". When the whole time it would just be alignment that was not affected by the narrower belt.


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I had considered alignment and I figured the only way to address that on my 1000S would be to shim the secondary out if that's the direction needed. Shimming the secondary inward to get proper alignment would pose a bigger problem, I think!
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We do to all our clients is take off the primary send to Indy Specialty Complete with weights and spring we want to run.-
They will shim to ( what spec we want for belt to sheave) I like .020
Completely tear down the clutch Machine where needed and balance the components - assemble - The last process is to balance the entire clutch assembly as a unit- ..
This is one reason you really don't want to invest into a aftermarket clutch add- on's as now you have upset/ and lost the unit's balance.
( Primary Lightweight clutch covers)
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Re: Primary Belt to shieve clearance

Like Todd mentioned, if your primary and secondary aren't in perfect alignment (radial centerline-to-radial centerline), you no longer have .020" clearance. How do you measure and adjust the clutch alignment after the belt-to-sheave clearance is set at .020 on the primary if the belt now rubs on one sheave or another on the primary?
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Your belt will have "witness marks" of where it is riding/rotating on the clutches
The goal is to have even wear marks on the belt
( both sides) . These will be found on the lower cogs, just have to look close. It will be noticeable if one side is displaying wear higher than the other.

Wash the belt in hot soapy water- give it a good scrub- dry- and take it out for a spin. add/remove washers on the secondary output shaft to get the secondary in alignment

Its an old sledders trick- same CVT system-and it gets you dialed in.
Does the secondary "float" to keep it in alignment- yes but no. Narrowing that margin will get it running true.

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Thanks for the replys everyone. I think I will be removing some shims then if I have any. I will have to look into alignments as well.

I have read about aligning with witness marks before but never tried it myself
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Thanks for the replys everyone. I think I will be removing some shims then if I have any. I will have to look into alignments as well.

I have read about aligning with witness marks before but never tried it myself
If you do not get it with shims ( check the helix cause sometimes they stick to it and are not seen) and you still need to adjust with the results of your findings of the witness marks- P/M me cause as you stated in your first post your a sledder- These motors along with sled motors-are dropped into a chassis with not much Q.A.Q.C. on alignment... All Manufactures!

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This get a person nuts on-and then fine tune with the witness marks.

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The SDI tool shown in your pic ensures the centerline of the primary and secondary are parallel. With that tool, the clutches will be aligned from the perspective of viewing from the side of the car. Now, step behind the car and consider the centerline of the primary and secondary relative to where the belt runs on both. On my 1000S there are no shims in the secondary or elsewhere to adjust this alignment. How do you make that alignment that would require moving the secondary towards the transmission or away from the transmission??
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Thanks for the replys everyone. I think I will be removing some shims then if I have any. I will have to look into alignments as well.

I have read about aligning with witness marks before but never tried it myself
There are not shims to align a 1000S, it is done in the engine to transmission mount and I do not know a way to do anything but center it. The SDI tool is the only one that really does it too.
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The SDI tool shown in your pic ensures the centerline of the primary and secondary are parallel. With that tool, the clutches will be aligned from the perspective of viewing from the side of the car. Now, step behind the car and consider the centerline of the primary and secondary relative to where the belt runs on both. On my 1000S there are no shims in the secondary or elsewhere to adjust this alignment. How do you make that alignment that would require moving the secondary towards the transmission or away from the transmission??
There is no side to side adjustment, just parallel shafts getting them perfect then it is aligned.

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Thanks for the replys everyone. I think I will be removing some shims then if I have any. I will have to look into alignments as well.

I have read about aligning with witness marks before but never tried it myself
There are not shims to align a 1000S, it is done in the engine to transmission mount and I do not know a way to do anything but center it. The SDI tool is the only one that really does it too.

i have a 1000xp if that makes a difference,
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