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post #1 of 36 Old February 26th, 2019, 11:17 AM Thread Starter
 
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I thought I would share some info concerning updates that where made or not made to mechanical parts of the XP 1000, XPT to include Trails & Rocks Edition. I'm no expert, I just keep asking questions to Polaris reps hoping to get better answers. Like any company, the info you get is relative to who you happen to make contact with at the time. So after a few tries here is some of the info worth talking about.

Clutch and belt cooling improved?

-In 2019 XP Turbo machines, the inner and outer clutch covers where changed to improve air flow over 2017 and 2018 machines. // I have not confirm the TR Edition received these changes or if the parts can be used on 2017-2018 rigs. Might not be worth the cost?

The response is always that the TR has the same drive train as the Turbo. Someone may be able to look up parts to compare numbers, but I have heard there are many discrepancies in parts listings to include the exploded diagrams that show parts were not updated for the LE units.

This diagram problem seems to include the question about reverse gear or chain. That has been covered in the 2018 - 2019 thread that was taken over by Mopar pics for some reason I'm a car guy, but this is RZR forum. The short answer from Polaris is again, the TR Edition has the same drive train as the turbo. It was confirmed in the Mopar/ errr 2018 - 2019 thread to be gear driven reverse. From what I can tell this was only confirmed for the 2018 and 2019 TR Edition and turbo. Can not confirm 2017 got the gear update, but again Polaris says same as turbo. Maybe others can add to that info.

-The XP 1000 machine's PVT system has been relatively unchanged from 2017-2019.// So nothing significant has been updated to the clutch or belt design as far as we know.

-2019 XP Turbo machines received improved hub plugs and seals to prevent leaking.// Some people say there is a completely new diff out that is bigger in some way. That may be true since they claim the frame has been updated to make it stronger. However, the Polaris rep is only addressing what was done to fix diff leaks. I could not confirm if the updated parts fit the 2017-2018 TR.

-A properly maintained PVT system will not see belt heating issues at idle as the belt rides on the center bearing. Nothing has been changed there. // I ask about this because I wanted to know if the belt was heat soaked at idle if left running during stops to reference a map while keeping the heater going or just letting it warm up 15 minutes before ride in cold weather. I think we can agree in the hot summer heat if you just ran it hard a few minutes and let it sit idling your belt is going to stay hot or get hotter as you sit idling. Only way to cool it down is a fan or engine RPM to move some air.

Manufacturers are quick to say belt cooling has been improved, leaking diffs have been upgraded or whatever it is. They never tell you how or what was done to improve it with details that explain how and why it's better. I can't help but think they don't give you these details because we the consumer can't see the hand full of things they did being worth $6,000 more than the last unit that was also improved. IMHO, new plastic and color changes are fine, but it would serve Polaris and their customers/owners well to provide a list of updated parts and a list of improved designed parts for older machines that actually fix problems. Tell us why it's better and offer the improved parts for the machines that experience these problems.

Please add anything you can about improved parts and what they fit or upgrades you can confirm for the TR. Pics of RZR related stuff would be great. Hope this info can help others decide with confidence the cost of upgrade parts or a newer unit is worth it or needed.

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post #2 of 36 Old February 26th, 2019, 10:17 PM
 
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Re: Mechanical Updates ALL, Diff leak,Belt/Clutch Cooling

I was looking at part numbers for diff for TRE 18 and 19. If I remember correctly the part number for the 18 was struck out and a new one in its place which seemed to indicate a mid model year part change???
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I want to add another info topic, TOWING. This seems to be a mechanical limitation and I felt it was worthy to include here. There are other threads about towing, but it has not been looked at from the mechanical side on the TR with lower gearing. One thing I thought might be a key factor was the suspension design and lack of frame work to properly install a hitch. However, there are advanced designed hitch options that tie into additional attachment points to address this. Tongue weight is a factor, suspension is designed for lots of travel. If you are not installing larger tires the mechanical advantage is there.

I plan to do some light wt towing myself. Maybe 250 lbs of camping gear/supplies and a gas jug on light weight trailer for a week long expedition. Plan to keep total wt under 500. I can't see a reason to not do this if your mindful about keeping the weight down and speeds reasonable. Things like using low gear most of the time, avoiding super slow climbs or other maneuvers that will create belt slip and heat. Basically the same engine in the Ranger can tow 2500lbs.

We are all aware the RZR is geared towards performance/speed and it's not a cargo hauling farm machine. Even so, I wanted to know if there was some other reason Polaris didn't offer a hitch or tow rating.

It was not easy to get a response other than NO, you can't. But I eventually got this info that basically covers what I stated above.

Polaris Rep: // on the RZR product line we do not test or rate them for towing. It is a different vehicle and made for different uses than the Ranger product line. I cannot recommend to you any potential towing capacity, and any towing that would be done would be at your own discretion and risk.

I understand that the 1000 engine should be similar between a Ranger XP 1000 and a RZR XP 1000, but they are tuned and geared differently between the two vehicles for different uses. More than likely you would be okay towing a small trailer with light weight in it if you installed a hitch. There might be more information out there on the topic from other sources, but I cannot provide you any specific numbers or suggestions to accomplish it. Technically adding a hitch would be a modification to the vehicle and if there was a problem related to that or towing you may void parts of your warranty. I apologize you may not feel this is adequate however I'm not able to suggest any specific towing instructions for a RZR. We do not produce them with a hitch, and do not test them for towing or advertise them to tow. //

That was a great answer from Polaris considering they must provide a CYA response. If anyone would like to share experience with towing a light trailer please share your thoughts about it and specifically, any mechanical problems you encountered with belt, cooling or parts that you feel failed because of towing. Maybe this info will inspire others that want to do some expedition trips or haul some firewood back to deer camp.
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Re: Mechanical Updates ALL, Diff leak,Belt/Clutch Cooling

I've got an 18 dynamix turbo...my neighbor just purchased an 18 R&T edition....

the part numbers on the transmission aren't the same...and the cover doesn't look the same...but who knows...maybe it's the same
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I've got an 18 dynamix turbo...my neighbor just purchased an 18 R&T edition....

the part numbers on the transmission aren't the same...and the cover doesn't look the same...but who knows...maybe it's the same
Can you get the part number off his trans please.


Should be 1333536


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I've got an 18 dynamix turbo...my neighbor just purchased an 18 R&T edition....

the part numbers on the transmission aren't the same...and the cover doesn't look the same...but who knows...maybe it's the same
Can you get the part number off his trans please.


Should be 1333536


should be able to make that happen tonight
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First three are turbo last three are rock crawler not same from outside
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Thanks, like I thought 133536 which is used in multiple models and does NOT have a gear driven reverse. The XPT is the only model with a gear drive reverse.
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Thanks, like I thought 133536 which is used in multiple models and does NOT have a gear driven reverse. The XPT is the only model with a gear drive reverse.
No problem
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Thanks, like I thought 133536 which is used in multiple models and does NOT have a gear driven reverse. The XPT is the only model with a gear drive reverse.
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Re: Mechanical Updates ALL, Diff leak,Belt/Clutch Cooling

To my knowledge there is no connection between a R&T and a Turbo

The R&T is a XP 1000 with different gears, same as the HL, the turbo clutch and tranny is totally different.

Just looked this all up, and edited my answer

Confirmed a 19 RT has a chain, same everything as any XP 1000 but different gearing, same clutch etc as any XP 1000 nothing related to a Turbo
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To my knowledge there is no connection between a R&T and a Turbo

The R&T is a XP 1000 with different gears, same as the HL, the turbo clutch and tranny is totally different.

Just looked this all up, and edited my answer

Confirmed a 19 RT has a chain, same everything as any XP 1000 but different gearing, same clutch etc as any XP 1000 nothing related to a Turbo
this all stems back to the other thread OP references that turned into a car show....Polaris reps are saying the RT has gear driven reverse though no part numbers or part diagrams support that. Unless they can fit a gear driven reverse into the same case as a normal 1000 not looking accurate
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Re: Mechanical Updates ALL, Diff leak,Belt/Clutch Cooling

Key piece of information is "polaris Reps". They are just sales guys and rarely know anything, heck most Polaris mechanics do not know either. No dealer I have ever been in knows anything about the clutches on these vehicles.
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To my knowledge there is no connection between a R&T and a Turbo

The R&T is a XP 1000 with different gears, same as the HL, the turbo clutch and tranny is totally different.

Just looked this all up, and edited my answer

Confirmed a 19 RT has a chain, same everything as any XP 1000 but different gearing, same clutch etc as any XP 1000 nothing related to a Turbo
this all stems back to the other thread OP references that turned into a car show....Polaris reps are saying the RT has gear driven reverse though no part numbers or part diagrams support that. Unless they can fit a gear driven reverse into the same case as a normal 1000 not looking accurate
I inquired about this in another thread and was told the XPT reverse gear setup will not fit inside the XP1000 case. I also read thru the car show thread and was skeptical. If the trans has a splined output shaft then it has chain drive reverse. Flanged output is gear driven.

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Re: Mechanical Updates ALL, Diff leak,Belt/Clutch Cooling

Exactly why I was not convinced that the R&T had a reverse gear, heck the Polaris rep couldn't even give a direct answer but I just bailed out of the other thread when it got too far off subject.

Although everything I could find does show the R&T to use a "Heavy Duty" reverse chain that is different from the other 1000's.
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