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post #16 of 34 Old April 18th, 2019, 09:13 AM
 
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You know, all that said (above), where we ride on the East coast is either private parks or trail systems like HMT that cater to whoever is going to pay to ride. And the fact is the wider machines simply outperform the narrow machines in MOST situations. If I lived in a place that offered lots of width-restricted trails, I would go that route, but itís not necessary where I mostly ride. The HMT trails for example are wide enough for a 72Ē machine, but still a blast on a quad.
an f350 with 50" super swampers will outperform a 60" rzr in a mudhole, but that doesnt mean we should widen all of our trails to accommodate full size pickups..

and sure, 72" trails are still fun on quads, but that doesnt mean they werent a whole lot more fun before they were widened.

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You know, all that said (above), where we ride on the East coast is either private parks or trail systems like HMT that cater to whoever is going to pay to ride. And the fact is the wider machines simply outperform the narrow machines in MOST situations. If I lived in a place that offered lots of width-restricted trails, I would go that route, but itís not necessary where I mostly ride. The HMT trails for example are wide enough for a 72Ē machine, but still a blast on a quad.
an f350 with 50" super swampers will outperform a 60" rzr in a mudhole, but that doesnt mean we should widen all of our trails to accommodate full size pickups..

and sure, 72" trails are still fun on quads, but that doesnt mean they werent a whole lot more fun before they were widened.
Agreed. My point on HMT is that if they restricted it to 50Ē theyíd lose the majority of the tourism that they bring in. Thatís all. If I were a wealthier man, Iíd have at least 4 or 5 RZRs, one for every type of trail, from 50Ē to a full-blown KOH-style racecar. Iíve been on trails with my XP where I thought a smaller, more nimble machine would be a better choice here, and others where Iíve thought bigger tires and more suspension would be great right now. I think both the S and XP do a pretty good job of bridging that gap, but I suppose thatís a whole other topic.
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Agreed. My point on HMT is that if they restricted it to 50Ē theyíd lose the majority of the tourism that they bring in. Thatís all. If I were a wealthier man, Iíd have at least 4 or 5 RZRs, one for every type of trail, from 50Ē to a full-blown KOH-style racecar. Iíve been on trails with my XP where I thought a smaller, more nimble machine would be a better choice here, and others where Iíve thought bigger tires and more suspension would be great right now. I think both the S and XP do a pretty good job of bridging that gap, but I suppose thatís a whole other topic.
idk, maybe... i wonder how much trail availability dictates the machines people buy. in restricted states people flock to the 50" machines. if that was more common i think it would push the market in that direction. and i think it would be better for the sport/hobby too.

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The narrow trails cut out entire segments of riders. There are so many families with 4 seaters that itís a shame they canít ride. There is no logical reason for the restrictions. We should be looking to include everyone; it is in the long term interest. Trails are closing everywhere, and the first step is restricting use to certain classes and causing conflicts. The wider SxSs are generally safer. I started out with a 50Ē RZR, which would roll over when the wind blew. I was with a group of quads, and watched at least six injury crashes. For what itís worth.
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if You follow this logic of make it wide enough for the “safer family machines” it would only take a very slight bit more width to fit a Jeep. At some point we need to say there is cutoff. An xp on portals (64+8) or a 72 S. I enjoy going in the woods, I can ride dirt roads in my truck. We currently have 2 50+4 inch rzrs for family machines. Nothing wrong with a bigger machine, I would just like to see a max, 50, 60, 65, whatever they decide but make a limit at trail systems.
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The narrow trails cut out entire segments of riders. There are so many families with 4 seaters that it’s a shame they can’t ride. There is no logical reason for the restrictions. We should be looking to include everyone; it is in the long term interest. Trails are closing everywhere, and the first step is restricting use to certain classes and causing conflicts. The wider SxSs are generally safer. I started out with a 50” RZR, which would roll over when the wind blew. I was with a group of quads, and watched at least six injury crashes. For what it’s worth.
what's next, padding the trees and rocks? its not like this is a dying industry. we dont need to cater to every single demographic. the sport isnt for everyone, nor does it have to be. i grew up in a family riding fourwheelers. you cant possibly tell me that it isnt an option to get into the sport without a 4 seat passenger vehicle, and that vehicle needs to be 100" wide. and yeah, where i ride, a lot of trails are getting closed down because what was once a small un-noticeable trail that meandered through the trees is now a highway after being beaten wider and wider from the newest and biggest and fastest machines.

there is a logical reason. do you like riding on logging roads more than gravel township roads? they are just as smooth. do you like trails more than logging roads? the logical reason is that when i have spent my whole life on these fun little intimate trails with my 45" wide quad, and now i go to those same trails and its a highway, im having marginally more fun than i am in my car. no challenge, no feeling of being somewhere an suv cant go.

a wider machine is no safer than a narrow machine if the given vehicle is driven within its limits. just like a ferrari is no safer than a corolla because one is less likely to flip going around a corner. if you have a narrow machine, dont take corners at a speed where it will be flipped. dont go on trails that have cross slopes so steep that it will flip.

they make 50" 4 seaters. if that isnt stable enough for you, get 2x 50" 2 seaters.

perhaps if you are rolling your machine all the time and everyone you are with is rolling their machines all the time and getting injured, the problem is not with the machines, its the users not realizing their limits. sorry if that sounds rude. but there are a lot of folk out there that ride reasonably that dont have that issue, and if they do, they arent blaming it on their machine.
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Re: Class 1 trails all turning into class 2 ?

Just my 2 cents on this.

The problem . In South East Texas anyway , is only 1 out of the 4 closest places to ride is really what I would consider family friendly...
Be it 50" or full tilt boogie SxS due the " Unrestricted " parks..
I really don't see how you can put a Jeep or Monster Truck on the same trails as you have quads and side x sidesÖ.
We have some hillbilly , backwards ass , insane people driving WAY oversized vehicles pretty much wherever they want , and trust me when you hear one of these animals come blasting up your tail pipe it is terrifying , I don't care what size SxS you are in.....

My point is there Must be some limitations and guidelines simply for safety sake .
I get it this is Not the safest hobby on the planet, and No we do Not need to pad trees .. Lol .. But for gods sake some common sense should be applied , Not be the Wild Wild West..

I would venture to guess that the " Majority " of us that own these have families and usually take more than one rig out when we go play, I sure don't like it when my Grandson is just playing around on his quad and then I see a jacked up Jeep come blast by him at 50+ mph...
So with that in mind maybe the reason some of the Trails, parks, etc are shutting down is due to the lack of rules and regulations because the backbone of the hobby is family play time and the families will just flat out not support them....
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The narrow trails cut out entire segments of riders. There are so many families with 4 seaters that itís a shame they canít ride. There is no logical reason for the restrictions. We should be looking to include everyone; it is in the long term interest. Trails are closing everywhere, and the first step is restricting use to certain classes and causing conflicts. The wider SxSs are generally safer. I started out with a 50Ē RZR, which would roll over when the wind blew. I was with a group of quads, and watched at least six injury crashes. For what itís worth.
I think these SxS's are Safe, It's what's in the head of the Person behind the wheel that makes them Unsafe...
And for trails closing, the old RR beds I've rode for 45yrs. are being turned into walking trails paid for in part by us ATV, SxS & snowmobile registration fee's.
And guess who can't use them.
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There needs to be different classes of trails, it only makes sense. What is truly needed is more places to ride on OUR public lands. In the case of Texas we need some degree of liability protection for land owners who open up their private land for recreational purposes.
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Re: Class 1 trails all turning into class 2 ?

The West where lots of us ride, is wide open. Moab is a prime example. Most of the trails are wide open. Really no reason to restrict them. Most of the time we have no problems with various sizes. Four seat SxSs are the most common vehicle here. Totally different land scape from the woods. In many areas of the west, the 50” trails used to be uranium roads that are now restricted. Why? A large group of riders I ride with no longer go to the Meeker, CO rally because too many of the rally trails are closed to 4 seaters, due to width. I ride with a retired Forest Service land use specialist, who scratches his head as to why the FS is restricting former Jeep trails. As for safety, riding the rocks in Moab is a wild experience on a 50” RZR vs a wider one. You rarely see 50” RZRs here on really tough trails. I have zero experience east of Colorado, so I leave that to you.
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The narrow trails cut out entire segments of riders. There are so many families with 4 seaters that itís a shame they canít ride. There is no logical reason for the restrictions. We should be looking to include everyone; it is in the long term interest. Trails are closing everywhere, and the first step is restricting use to certain classes and causing conflicts. The wider SxSs are generally safer. I started out with a 50Ē RZR, which would roll over when the wind blew. I was with a group of quads, and watched at least six injury crashes. For what itís worth.
There is plenty of logical reasons for trail restrictions. Besides my 64" RZR, I also ride a dirtbike on single track and quad trails. The people in 50" utv's scare the heck out of me! It used to be just bikes and sport quads on these trails, but now we have the 50" utv's which seem huge when you are on a bike on a skinny tight trail. I have even come across idiots on quads on the single track trails here in the Pacific Northwest! (Which is absolutely illegal here). Same thing with the wider trails that are legal for the 64" utv's, I don't want to have to deal with some jerk hauling ass with his big Jeep around blind corners and wiping me out! So safety is a major reason for trail restrictions. Also, trail restrictions very often are implemented because of user conflict. I have lost mountain bike trails to walkers because they have claimed user conflict. And yet, even though work has been done to avoid user conflict, some people just ignore this and do what ever they want to. And that is what might get a trail closed to all!
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Re: Class 1 trails all turning into class 2 ?

That seems to be the Problem. Some people think they're above it all and can do whatever they want, whenever they want & that's what ruins it for the rest of us.
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There needs to be different classes of trails, it only makes sense. What is truly needed is more places to ride on OUR public lands. In the case of Texas we need some degree of liability protection for land owners who open up their private land for recreational purposes.
You should take a look at what states like Maine have done. Thousands of miles of public trails that are on 90% private lands. It has worked very well for them.
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Does Maine have trail width rules?
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Re: Class 1 trails all turning into class 2 ?

I enjoy the tight 50" trails they feel more fun to navigate at faster speeds big dirt roads feel boring.And I have never felt like the wind would blow mine over LOL!
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