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post #1 of 20 Old October 20th, 2019, 09:53 PM Thread Starter
 
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Anyone stray from Polaris driveline fluids for thousands of miles?

Another oil thread... you can read up on it till you're blind and not reach a consensus.

I just switched the engines to T6 Rotella 5w-40, and the Pure One filter which was highly rated I guess. It's really subjective, but it seemed like they both ran better/more power somehow. I'm sure it is wishful thinking lol.

I understand the demand drive is Mobil 424 hydraulic fluid, non synthetic, at least it's not labeled as such on the bottle.

The rear diff is gear lube, and I don't even think the Polaris stuff is synthetic, it sure doesn't say so on the bottle like the AGL does.

AGL is mystery synthetic lube. I have no idea why those simple gear boxes need a synthetic but the rear diff doesn't.

So I guess my question for those still running the 800, who has tons of miles on a machine with non po-po lubes, and do you know of any problems?

In tractors, at least older ones, special hydraulic fluid like Hy-tran (IHC) is used to lube the diffs. I can't imagine it isn't good enough for a little gear case like these machines have, but it's hard to take that chance.

Also what intervals do you change the trans/tcase/rear diff? Engine oil is one thing, it gets dirty in a variety of ways. And the front diff has special considerations also. But the others? I just did the second change on the engine oil on one machine without changing the agl or angle drive. I dipped the end of a zip tie into those fluids, and they are so clean they don't leave a trace of off colored stuff on a paper towel. That's with about 900 miles on I guess. Are we over changing these?
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Re: Anyone stray from Polaris driveline fluids for thousands of miles?

Well I put full syn 75w-90 Delo in my rear axle about 300 miles ago after I did the pinion nut, we'll see. I did the Polaris fluid in the front and it is in the trans and engine. Next oil change I will most likely do a full syn 20-50 (I never ride when it's freezing). I will probably do 75w-90 in the trans too next time. I'm sure I will do the Polaris stuff in the front axle.

But to answer your question, lots of miles on non Polaris fluids? Not yet....

Are we changing too often? Who's "we"? My plan for now is once a year on the engine, not sure on my yearly hours/miles yet though, so that may change. Haven't really thought about the rest yet, it's only been about 300 miles so far.
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Another oil thread... you can read up on it till you're blind and not reach a consensus.

I just switched the engines to T6 Rotella 5w-40, and the Pure One filter which was highly rated I guess. It's really subjective, but it seemed like they both ran better/more power somehow. I'm sure it is wishful thinking lol.

I understand the demand drive is Mobil 424 hydraulic fluid, non synthetic, at least it's not labeled as such on the bottle.

The rear diff is gear lube, and I don't even think the Polaris stuff is synthetic, it sure doesn't say so on the bottle like the AGL does.

AGL is mystery synthetic lube. I have no idea why those simple gear boxes need a synthetic but the rear diff doesn't.

So I guess my question for those still running the 800, who has tons of miles on a machine with non po-po lubes, and do you know of any problems?

In tractors, at least older ones, special hydraulic fluid like Hy-tran (IHC) is used to lube the diffs. I can't imagine it isn't good enough for a little gear case like these machines have, but it's hard to take that chance.

Also what intervals do you change the trans/tcase/rear diff? Engine oil is one thing, it gets dirty in a variety of ways. And the front diff has special considerations also. But the others? I just did the second change on the engine oil on one machine without changing the agl or angle drive. I dipped the end of a zip tie into those fluids, and they are so clean they don't leave a trace of off colored stuff on a paper towel. That's with about 900 miles on I guess. Are we over changing these?
I run all Amsoil in my machine. I have 1000 miles on my machine now. I change everything about every 400 miles or so, after the initial break in.

It all looks new when drained. I'm going to extend the transmission to every 1000 miles. The transmission oil literally looked like new fluid when drained this last time.

From the one thousand oil threads I've seen, I'd say the main thing is quality fluids, which include factory Polaris, and change them regularly.

I use a Wix engine oil filter. I know I err on the side of changing more than is called for, but dang, I see it as cheap insurance.

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I run all Amsoil in my machine.
What's in the front axle?
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Re: Anyone stray from Polaris driveline fluids for thousands of miles?

A better question for me To ask here is anyone actually using Polaris oils?

I use Mobil Synth 75w-90 in the rear and Rotella T6 for motor oil. For the front I use something else I have to go look up my notes on that.
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I run all Amsoil in my machine.
What's in the front axle?
Front diff:
https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produ...code=aufdqt-ea


All fluids:
https://www.amsoil.com/lookup/utv/20...000/us-volume/

I think before Amsoil made a specific fluid for the front diff they recommend their ATF.
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I think before Amsoil made a specific fluid for the front diff they recommend their ATF.
That's what I was thinking, I've read people use some type of hydraulic fluid, I'm guessing a full synthetic ATF would be pretty good in the front.
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I appreciate the input. I also think Amsoil is a good substitute, and possibly better than polaris for around the same money.
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I appreciate the input. I also think Amsoil is a good substitute, and possibly better than polaris for around the same money.
I agree, that's why I use it. Plus its convenient for me.

There are a lot of folks having good success with many different product and factory oil also.

The key is keeping it changed often and don't use cheap convenience store type oil...lol.
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I've ran off brand synthetic universal atf in the front diff for a few thousand hard miles with no problems. For the rear diff, tcase and tranny I used royal purple gear oil, I forget what viscosity. For the engine I ran some 5w40 for a few years just cause I was given a 5 gallon pail of it. But now that I'm having to add oil after or during every ride I will try switching to something a little thicker.
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I've ran off brand synthetic universal atf in the front diff for a few thousand hard miles with no problems. For the rear diff, tcase and tranny I used royal purple gear oil, I forget what viscosity. For the engine I ran some 5w40 for a few years just cause I was given a 5 gallon pail of it. But now that I'm having to add oil after or during every ride I will try switching to something a little thicker.
How many thousand miles on the machine, and why do you think it started burning oil?
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AGL stands for Angle Gear Lube.

Just another confusing Polaris name for plain gear lube. Polaris wants to keep customers "in house" so as a marketing decision they won't provide information to find an alternative product.

Everything below in my fleet runs totally on AMSOIL and have used it for over 25 yrs.

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I appreciate the input. I also think Amsoil is a good substitute, and possibly better than polaris for around the same money.
I agree, that's why I use it. Plus its convenient for me.

There are a lot of folks having good success with many different product and factory oil also.

The key is keeping it changed often and don't use cheap convenience store type oil...lol.
So I shouldn't use that oil I bought at 7-11? ahaha
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Factory oil is good.....one less twelve pack
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I've ran off brand synthetic universal atf in the front diff for a few thousand hard miles with no problems. For the rear diff, tcase and tranny I used royal purple gear oil, I forget what viscosity. For the engine I ran some 5w40 for a few years just cause I was given a 5 gallon pail of it. But now that I'm having to add oil after or during every ride I will try switching to something a little thicker.
How many thousand miles on the machine, and why do you think it started burning oil?
It's got 3300kms/2000miles right now. I had the entire engine under water a few times. I'm sure I got some crap inside the engine from the crankcase breather hose with the slit in it and I had a leak on the breather at the valve cover too. I don't think the kind of oil had much to do with burning but it'll probably burn a little less it it were thicker. It doesn't have any noticeable smoke and no leaks now but I did run it pretty low one time which doesn't help.
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