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post #16 of 57 Old December 18th, 2018, 07:35 AM
 
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Re: Moving On from Polaris-Maybe

All I was saying it if you hate RC donít buy RC. Using it to justify honda make no sense since they donít have it. Some of the other stuff seems pretty nice. If they wouldnít of been so late to the market they would of been a contender before I bought my turbo. But at the time the turbo had the heaviest duty drive train for the money plus doesnít have some of your gripes about the XP1k.


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The DC transmission with high and low range might make the 104 HP perform better than the CVT 110 Poo. Polaris will likely offer a Team DC tranny soon as well as others.

Polaris was the pioneer of the current CVT system, don't think your going to see them changing
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The DC transmission with high and low range might make the 104 HP perform better than the CVT 110 Poo. Polaris will likely offer a Team DC tranny soon as well as others.

Polaris was the pioneer of the current CVT system, don't think your going to see them changing
I agree they wonít change it....lower cost & lighter weight make the CVT hard to beat for many applications. Polaris along with CanAm were rumored to be looking at it according to one news feed last fall. It would require a chassis redesign so maybe the odds arenít good. My thought was it might show up in a Trails and Rocks or a higher end version like the Turbo S or an XP 1000 S model.
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I think he has a very valid point with the same old weaknesses that must be addressed by the end user. Don't get me wrong, I really like my xp1000, but the u-joints, wheel bearings, a-arm bushings, spring quality, carrier bearings, prop shaft spline wear, front half shaft spline wear and multiple cvt weaknesses gets really old. These have all been common problems that have been present for several years and continue to be ignored by Polaris.

That being said there has been very little on the market that challenges the rzr in the suspension department which is why I have one.
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Love my Polaris, but Iím sure Honda is gonna give some major competition. Prob the second gen of the Talon is gonna be the shit. Just look at Honda 4 stroke dirt bikes. Where they came from and where they are now. No comparison. Being a 2 stroke born and raised rider, I would have never considered a 4 stroke bike ever. But now, those 4 strokes are pretty bad ass. That being said, the UTV market is very very strong and thatís why Honda is getting on board. Watch out Polaris...


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Polaris quality is pretty horrible, I will be the first to admit that. However, you can get a brand new turbo for what like $15k now? Thats pretty dang cheap.. I don't think you could touch a X3 for under $20K. I would rather save the $5K and fix the junk that breaks on the Polaris.

Honda has a great rep for reliability and I totally get it. 1 person in our group has a Pioneer and it always tows the broken Polaris' back. We joke and say "Polaris way forward, Honda way home" lol
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I'd be really surprised if the Talon sells for less than $20,000. It's pretty easy to find XP's around $14,500 - $15,000. Pretty hard to compete with that. Hopefull the DCT in the Talon won't have the clucth problems that they had with the Pioneer. I'll look at it and wait for the reviews and probably wait for year 2 model. If the price differential is too much my R and T will be safe. Now if Polaris would give us shift on the fly between low and high I'm not sure if I'd even look at the Honda.
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Now if Polaris would give us shift on the fly between low and high I'm not sure if I'd even look at the Honda.
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That is one thing I hate! Especially with my 800S, I am constantly having to stop and shift to high to keep up with the others. Between the HP, gearing, and bigger tires, I feel like I have to switch 10X as often as anyone else.
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I've been waiting for a long time to see Honda get into the performance SxS market. No way I'll take the leap on a first-year model, but I'll definitely be watching closely for the future. Honda makes great products and if their SxS is anywhere near as good as their dirtbikes and quads (I've owned several in the past), they could dominate the industry within a few years.

I can't say I'll 100% for sure make the switch to Honda, but I definitely won't rule it out either. It won't happen right now, but maybe by the time I'm ready to move on from my current XP1K.
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u-joints, wheel bearings, a-arm bushings, spring quality, carrier bearings, prop shaft spline wear, front half shaft spline wear and multiple cvt weaknesses gets really old. These have all been common problems that have been present for several years and continue to be ignored by Polaris.
These are not common problems, they are usually are ignored by the user until they wear out. Proper maintenance goes a long way in maintaining a good working machine. I see it all the time where folks whine about XXX part broke yet they beat on the machine and do little maintenance.

Bushings - wear item and meant to be replaced under maintenance.

Wheel bearings, propshaft splines, & axles shaft splines wear ONLY happens because they are not maintained properly (IE clean & grease the damn thing).

90% of belt issues are driver induced.

Spring setups are a personal preference so it's hard for a MFG to please all so a basic setup is provided. However, I would like to see Polaris provide a true dual rate setup from the factory.

The whole point is if people would maintain their rig parts would last longer. This is NOT a Polaris thing, it's a user thing and will happen with any MFG. There have been legitimate issues over the years but I think for the most part Polaris gets a bad rap sometimes because of the shear number of units on the market.


Having said all that, it always good to see competition among MFGs as it breeds better
quality and performance at a lower price.
You sir are entitled to your opinion.

However I am meticulous when it comes to my machine. I am a maintenance engineer by trade and take very good care of my equipment.

I am sure lack of maintenance is a common culprit for some. But the components I mentioned are more material and design related.

Wheel bearings failed in less than 2k miles even though I greased them before ever riding the machine for the 1st time.

Passenger side trailing arm spherical bearing failed within 500 miles due to teflon liner flaking apart. Replaced them with stainless bearings. I considered this to be a random failure.

Splines wear do to soft material. The design of the prop shaft puts excessive movement in the system. Weird phaseing of the u-joints, excessive operating angles and insuffecient carrier bearing all stack up to create tons of wobble and vibration that eventually wears the splines on the shaft. Sure you can grease the slip yokes every ride but the grease does not distribute around the entire splined area. It instead travels the path of least resistance until it squirts out. A good greasing will not even last an entire ride before mud and water infiltrates the coupled parts.

The suspension springs sag in short order again due to material properties. The stock springs require far more adjustments to maintain OEM ride height than any after market spring. Again, this is only ride height. I am not talking rider preference which is very subjective.

The square pucks on the secondary is a joke. Seriously who thought that was a good idea. My biggest problem with the stock setup is jerky engagement. I know how to treat a belt. I have never had a belt break. I run low most of the time, only using high range when appropriate. I also pull out in a manner that does not allow the belt to slip. The jerky starts usually begin within a couple hundred miles of a new belt.

So yes, these most certainly are repeating design issues that continue to go unaddressed.

I will say I have heard but not confirmed that the rear slip yoke that attaches to the transmission shaft now has o-rings to retain the grease. This should seal out the contamination and reduce spline wear.
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As you are entitled to your opinion. My comments were not so much directed at you but just in general because of items you mentioned. Sorry but you are incorrect on several things but it's not worth arguing over, you have already formed your opinion.
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Those are def common problems....Not sure how you can due maintenance on a sealed bearing or bushings other then grease them.
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Hard to blame it on maintenance when the aftermarket parts last much longer than original components.

OEM a-arm bushings are soft plastic with fairly soft metal inserts. Aftermarket is delrin bushings with hardened inserts that last for.....well never heard of any that have been replaced.

Aftermarket suspension springs need adjusted once...maybe twice to maintain ride height.

Again. Not blasting polaris. I love my xp. But I do see the areas that could stand to be improved. Hopefully the increased competition in the market will provoke these simple changes.
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Forgot to mention plastic sway bar bushings that almost never take grease because it oozes out where the two halves meet instead of flowing in the grease channels surrounding the bar. Again...simple change to urethane bushings and never touch them again.
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Those are def common problems....Not sure how you can due maintenance on a sealed bearing or bushings other then grease them.
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Bushings are a "wear" item and not meant to last forever but when properly maintained (cleaned & greased) will last a long time.
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