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post #1 of 14 Old June 4th, 2019, 04:39 PM Thread Starter
 
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How You Think Polaris Will Respond?

Honda and Can Am just dropped some pretty heavy bombs. Honda with a 4 seater and a Turbo. Can Am with a 195 hp X3. You think Polaris is gonna drop a nuke for 2020? Or are they finally gonna get passed up?
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Re: How You Think Polaris Will Respond?

I think the Honda release will be less influential for Polaris. The Turbo, while developed in conjuncture with Honda, is still an aftermarket setup. It's similar to the YXZ and GTYR turbo kit. Sure, it's bolt-on and pretty dialed in and you will probably be able to get them at dealers... but we didn't see that really translate into sales for Yamaha with the YXZ.

Now, the Can Ams are a whole other story. I wrote a little more extensively on it here: https://forums.duneanddirt.com/forum...ases-195-hp-x3

But the bottom line is 195 HP stock is YYYUGE and overall the X3 lineup stacks up favorably against the RZR lineup as is. Obviously Polaris now has the next move in the game. But overall I think the entry X3 being a 120 HP Turbo unit is a better option an the NA 1000. Sure, it's only a 10 HP difference, but you'll be able to gain way more modding the turbo X3 than modding a NA XP 1000. Then you get into stuff like the base 72" 172 HP X3 being way less than a Turbo S Velocity and obviously an optional 195 HP version and it looks good for Can Am...

...of course the front end design is still a disaster on the X3 - but the aftermarket has fixes.

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Re: How You Think Polaris Will Respond?

With 185 hp and $5000 dollars added to the price tag.
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I hope 200hp+ with direct drive.
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With the price tags they come with hopefully they make something I can drive to work everyday lol
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Re: How You Think Polaris Will Respond?

My opinion, Honda has finally committed to the sport SXS market, give them a few years and they will be on top with the best SXS's available. I don't think they will manufacture SXS's that catch fire because of bad design/engineering, cheap materials and I bet they don't put transmissions together with Chinese bearings.
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My opinion, Honda has finally committed to the sport SXS market, give them a few years and they will be on top with the best SXS's available. I don't think they will manufacture SXS's that catch fire because of bad design/engineering, cheap materials and I bet they don't put transmissions together with Chinese bearings.
...not to mention the fact that not everybody bases their purchase decision purely upon how many horsepower a rig has.
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My opinion, Honda has finally committed to the sport SXS market, give them a few years and they will be on top with the best SXS's available. I don't think they will manufacture SXS's that catch fire because of bad design/engineering, cheap materials and I bet they don't put transmissions together with Chinese bearings.
...not to mention the fact that not everybody bases their purchase decision purely upon how many horsepower a rig has.
I totally understand wanting all that HP, but want and need are two entirely different issues. I can see needing all the HP you can get your hands on if you ride the dunes all the time, but for most of us 100+ HP in a 1800 pound machine is plenty.
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My opinion, Honda has finally committed to the sport SXS market, give them a few years and they will be on top with the best SXS's available. I don't think they will manufacture SXS's that catch fire because of bad design/engineering, cheap materials and I bet they don't put transmissions together with Chinese bearings.
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I think with Honda now in the game and actually putting forth serious investment in the sport sxs industry as well as other manufacturers in the game evolving I think Polaris will slowly be pushed out of the top spot. Polaris is extremely guilty of pushing out machines with pore fit and finish as well as pushing machines out with a ton of Chinese parts on them. With companies like Honda now in the game Polaris needs to step up the QC for sure. I honestly think the line up they have is great and it can just be tweaked to hang with the new can am offerings. I don't think they will get pushed off but I think it's going to be kinda like the diesel pickup truck market is at the moment. Ford, Chevy and ram all make pretty much the same power, they all have the same options u can get, they all tow close to the same weight, they all cost a shit load of money and so on. So it will turn into what brand do you want because they all wi have pretty much the same things once it gets too a point. The sxs market is still a very new and fresh concept that's not done evolving. I am afraid that with longer, wider, 200hp machines available it also may transition into what happened with the full size off road guys. Once these things start getting big and powerful now state parks and riding parks will put width or hp restrictions on them just to keep from totally destroying the riding park or forest trails. And if you don't think this will happen you have obviously never mentioned the word RZR to a tree hugger or a environmentalist! I watched it happen when I was into off road jeeps and trucks. My other concern here is insurance. With a sxs the size of a 4 door Jeep Rubicon that makes 200hp insurance companies will start getting you for 100-200+ a month on your rig if not more. Evolution of the sport is great but I believe at some point it's going to level off due to restrictions for places to ride or due to insurance reasons like the muscle care erra in the 70s. I like what I'm seeing with the sport but sometimes I think it's growing too fast and out running it's legs. Only time will tell from here.
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Honda and Can Am just dropped some pretty heavy bombs. Honda with a 4 seater and a Turbo. Can Am with a 195 hp X3. You think Polaris is gonna drop a nuke for 2020? Or are they finally gonna get passed up?
idk but I would like to drop a nuke on that girl in your profile pic....dang lol but hell they mite as well put a 350 in one or 400 small block
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First It’ll be a supercharger. Then they’ll come out with crazy special editions.
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Re: How You Think Polaris Will Respond?

Glad you brought up Can-Am's naming of the machines... not much thought given to how that is perceived

I like staggered tire sizes, it looks aesthetically more pleasing, and pulls corners better
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