I'm sorry, but for $25K, I'm definitely out. My 1000 goes plenty fast.:ride:
Well on a good note. At least Rzr has a good resale value unlike my wildcat 1000. I think this toy is for the person who wants to pay for the power.$25,000 (starting price)
Poor kid (young man, the target demographic) goes into dealership and puts NOTHING down because Polaris will finance anyone with a pulse.
That's $553/month on 4 yr note. We all know 4 years from now this will be like 800 .. obsolete.
Same kid works hard and has family, so he gets to go out and ride maybe every other month with his friends and family.
That cost PER RIDE = $1,106 .... JUST FOR RZR. Doesn't include gas, toyhauler, food, hotel, park fees, broken parts, or the $750+/mo truck payment required to pull it.
Insanity.
I honestly don't think in 4 years this turbo will be obsolete. I really have a feeling that this market is close to its ceiling on what people will pay for a SxS. I think $30k is max and less and less will be able to afford past that mark.$25,000 (starting price)
Poor kid (young man, the target demographic) goes into dealership and puts NOTHING down because Polaris will finance anyone with a pulse.
That's $553/month on 4 yr note. We all know 4 years from now this will be like 800 .. obsolete.
Same kid works hard and has family, so he gets to go out and ride maybe every other month with his friends and family.
That cost PER RIDE = $1,106 .... JUST FOR RZR. Doesn't include gas, toyhauler, food, hotel, park fees, broken parts, or the $750+/mo truck payment required to pull it.
Insanity.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat... it's that 5,000 foot plus elevation that kills me and where I could really use some extra power. OEM really is the way to go, especially with the new forged internals. With that said, I'll likely keep my '15 XP1K4 for another couple years as I'm really happy with it, but I know as soon as the 4 seater is released, the temptation to upgrade will start creeping in. Definitely not a reasonable hobby $$$ wise. I remember the days when buying a new quad was the only dilemma...I honestly don't think in 4 years this turbo will be obsolete. I really have a feeling that this market is close to its ceiling on what people will pay for a SxS. I think $30k is max and less and less will be able to afford past that mark.$25,000 (starting price)
Poor kid (young man, the target demographic) goes into dealership and puts NOTHING down because Polaris will finance anyone with a pulse.
That's $553/month on 4 yr note. We all know 4 years from now this will be like 800 .. obsolete.
Same kid works hard and has family, so he gets to go out and ride maybe every other month with his friends and family.
That cost PER RIDE = $1,106 .... JUST FOR RZR. Doesn't include gas, toyhauler, food, hotel, park fees, broken parts, or the $750+/mo truck payment required to pull it.
Insanity.
You can really only do so much when limited to 999cc and trying to keep the width hinders suspension upgrades.
I for one really want the turbo in a 4 seater when they come out. I am happy with my xp4 1k but the main downfall is riding at 5-7k feet you lose so much power it feels like a dog when having 2 people and 400lbs of gear, etc. And I felt that with the weight of my xp4 its always been a strain on the belt.
I can honestly say that if and when I upgrade to the turbo it will be the one I keep for a long time because I can live with 144hp at elevation vs 87hp at 6,000 feet that I have now. Almost double the power, a clutch that is bigger, vents better and sounds like it is designed for the rzr just like sled clutches that can handle 270hp no problem. That coupled with a decent internal bypass shock and sway bars front and rear makes it an ideal machine for the desert where I ride.
I'm looking forward to it, just not really looking forward to selling mine and then still shelling out $10k for it haha.
Yea I hear you on that one. Not a reasonable hobby at all, I just need to learn to be satisfied haha. But do think going turbo 4 seater will set me for a long time.Yeah, I'm in the same boat... it's that 5,000 foot plus elevation that kills me and where I could really use some extra power. OEM really is the way to go, especially with the new forged internals. With that said, I'll likely keep my '15 XP1K4 for another couple years as I'm really happy with it, but I know as soon as the 4 seater is released, the temptation to upgrade will start creeping in. Definitely not a reasonable hobby $$$ wise. I remember the days when buying a new quad was the only dilemma...I honestly don't think in 4 years this turbo will be obsolete. I really have a feeling that this market is close to its ceiling on what people will pay for a SxS. I think $30k is max and less and less will be able to afford past that mark.$25,000 (starting price)
Poor kid (young man, the target demographic) goes into dealership and puts NOTHING down because Polaris will finance anyone with a pulse.
That's $553/month on 4 yr note. We all know 4 years from now this will be like 800 .. obsolete.
Same kid works hard and has family, so he gets to go out and ride maybe every other month with his friends and family.
That cost PER RIDE = $1,106 .... JUST FOR RZR. Doesn't include gas, toyhauler, food, hotel, park fees, broken parts, or the $750+/mo truck payment required to pull it.
Insanity.
You can really only do so much when limited to 999cc and trying to keep the width hinders suspension upgrades.
I for one really want the turbo in a 4 seater when they come out. I am happy with my xp4 1k but the main downfall is riding at 5-7k feet you lose so much power it feels like a dog when having 2 people and 400lbs of gear, etc. And I felt that with the weight of my xp4 its always been a strain on the belt.
I can honestly say that if and when I upgrade to the turbo it will be the one I keep for a long time because I can live with 144hp at elevation vs 87hp at 6,000 feet that I have now. Almost double the power, a clutch that is bigger, vents better and sounds like it is designed for the rzr just like sled clutches that can handle 270hp no problem. That coupled with a decent internal bypass shock and sway bars front and rear makes it an ideal machine for the desert where I ride.
I'm looking forward to it, just not really looking forward to selling mine and then still shelling out $10k for it haha.
And jack up the price another grand or two......................I'm going to wait for the 2017 XP 999cc turbo model. Why did polaris stop at 925cc, the only reason I can figure is so they can strill come back with a 999cc model a year form now
Stop the insanity.ha, I doubt you will see a 999cc turbo. 180 hp? way too much liablity. and if I'm correct, you will never see a UTV over 1000cc according to laws defining UTV. Do the research. Turbo doesn't excite me on the east coast for many many reasons. Polaris may have added 40 hp, but thry also added 100lbs plus to the turbo model. The best thing I have done to mine is put it on a diet. Almost under 1400 wet now.
People been saying "they're not going to break 100hp" due to liability back in 2010. Now it's 2015 it's 180hp. Blah .... it's not true.
There's NO 1,000 cc law (LAW LAW LAW ) None Do the research as you say.
You are both right?Yes, a committee, in which current manufacturers have a hand shake agreement with.... they can choose to break this agreement AT ANY TIME.Stop the insanity.
People been saying "they're not going to break 100hp" due to liability back in 2010. Now it's 2015 it's 180hp. Blah .... it's not true.
There's NO 1,000 cc law (LAW LAW LAW ) None Do the research as you say.
I'm not basing what I know on hearsay. I read facts. The term "law" shouldn't have been used like I did. But there was a committee appointed by the manufacturers to determine and define UTV.
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This is NOT a law.
I'm not critiquing you per se ... but there's so many internet rumors calling this 1000cc a "law" when in fact it's NOT a law. The jet ski manufacturers use to have such an agreement years and year ago ... all it took was ONE manufacturer to break it and all the others followed suit. Eventually the same will happen with UTV and SxS.
Oh don't get me wrong, I am all for it. And I understand the process behind it. It just shows how government regulations are so all over the board. Read the regulations and try and make sense out of them. :rofl3::ride:Honestly think, if the sand rails with 500 HP + power will get in mass production as RZR's you will see some kind of regulation on them too. IMOYep. And it is really foggy. Why can a 1000HP sand rail in CA get a ROV permit?? Kind of makes ya go HMMMMMMM. Same here in Colorado. 1000CC limit for UTVs, yet my buddy can go down and get an offroad sticker for his Jimmys buggy.You are both right?
The agreement between manufacturers is in fact voluntary. It even says as much on their website.
ANSI Standard
Based on that agreement, california passed a law defining ROV's as being under 1000 cc.
Section 500 on this page:
CA Codes (veh:100-680)
There is no federal law about it. However there are some standards required by the CPSC, none of which have anything to do with engine size(at least currently).
Sam
Be happy they still let us to build them without any restrictions, even in CA.
milos