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post #16 of 64 Old August 26th, 2012, 10:42 PM Thread Starter
 
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Re: rzr xp vs wildcat

look guys, i live up here in alaska and the riding is totally different than down in the dunes, i started with arctic cat side by sides and after having broken gears in the motor/transmission 2 times and 3 front diff's completely exploded and multiple broken axles, and worn out bearings and bushings all in LESS THAN 100 MILES we switched to the yamaha rhinos that were much more dependable for the power they had but were not very fun, then we bought polaris rzr s models and loved them, beat the hell out of them with very little trouble, then upgraded to the rzr xp's, which i own two of, one has well over 4000 miles of abuse on it and still runs great only problems to date were a couple minor worn out clutch parts... i did not post this video to start an argument, sure drivers make a difference and there are a lot of other variables, but i just cant believe that arctic cat released a machine to compete with the polaris and failed in the engine/drivetrain compartment, in a drag race i see people talking on the forums how close the wildcat is like within a length or two, i dont have it on video, but that wildcat on the asphalt with no tire spin, everyone in 4wd equal weight riders is more like at least 5 machine length's behind the rzr xp, i am not brand loyal, i actually considered buying a wildcat, but if i buy something else i want a complete package not just good suspension.... this video was just showing us out having fun and i think its kinda funny how many people try to defend one machine or another...
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Can anyone actually compare a Xp with king shocks or cognitos etc to the stock suspension on a wildcat? Or is everyone just assuming that it would take a complete suspension system to even be in the same ball park...

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Can anyone actually compare a Xp with king shocks or cognitos etc to the stock suspension on a wildcat? Or is everyone just assuming that it would take a complete suspension system to even be in the same ball park...
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IMHO, while the dampers are important, the wheelbase and travel are what give the WC the advantage........tough to change those on an XP.
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Can anyone actually compare a Xp with king shocks or cognitos etc to the stock suspension on a wildcat? Or is everyone just assuming that it would take a complete suspension system to even be in the same ball park...
Fair question.

IMHO, while the dampers are important, the wheelbase and travel are what give the WC the advantage........tough to change those on an XP.
True enough, but I'm sure that shocks make quite a large difference in the performance on the XP as i have read. Im pretty sure the Wildcat comes with much better valved/sprung shocks then the XP. If i remember correctly they are walker evans shocks too.

I guess their (wildcat owners) argument is that the xp suspension sucks and it would take multiple thousands to get it to the same league as the stock wildcat suspension. While they only need a wcd... about $1300 for the muzzy kit. Right now you can get the PEPutv shock overhall for about that, so its just an interesting thought to me. I just have a feeling that with a good pair of shocks, kings, cognitos, elkas, etc etc, it would be a pretty close comparison given they are already pretty close from what i have seen.

Heck i have even read that people just getting the Racertech spring package say that the bucking is pretty much all gone and the suspension is all around a HUGE improvement.

I was actually set on buying a Wildcat before i got my XP... til i saw one in person and drove one... just not my cup of tea. I do admit the suspension is pretty awesome, but everything else, i like better on the XP.

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Seems like everytime i was in glamis or dumont last year there was a wildcat sitting alone, no paddles, parked. I think that the wildcat might not have the fun factor of an xp.


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Can anyone actually compare a Xp with king shocks or cognitos etc to the stock suspension on a wildcat? Or is everyone just assuming that it would take a complete suspension system to even be in the same ball park...
Fair question.

IMHO, while the dampers are important, the wheelbase and travel are what give the WC the advantage........tough to change those on an XP.
True enough, but I'm sure that shocks make quite a large difference in the performance on the XP as i have read. Im pretty sure the Wildcat comes with much better valved/sprung shocks then the XP. If i remember correctly they are walker evans shocks too.

I guess their (wildcat owners) argument is that the xp suspension sucks and it would take multiple thousands to get it to the same league as the stock wildcat suspension. While they only need a wcd... about $1300 for the muzzy kit. Right now you can get the PEPutv shock overhall for about that, so its just an interesting thought to me. I just have a feeling that with a good pair of shocks, kings, cognitos, elkas, etc etc, it would be a pretty close comparison given they are already pretty close from what i have seen.

Heck i have even read that people just getting the Racertech spring package say that the bucking is pretty much all gone and the suspension is all around a HUGE improvement.

I was actually set on buying a Wildcat before i got my XP... til i saw one in person and drove one... just not my cup of tea. I do admit the suspension is pretty awesome, but everything else, i like better on the XP.

You're right......shocks can make a huge difference.

But I think a good analogy would be on how a LOT of people marveled at the difference the 4" wheelbase stretch made when comparing the XP and RZR S.

I also realize some people don't want that length (and width)

Was so pissed off 2 months after I bought my '11 RZR in November of 2010 after the salesman assured me there was no new RZR's coming out.......I tried to console myself on the fact I stole my RZR S LE and they probably wouldn't deal on the XP's for a bit. Short lived since I found a dealer in OK. who was selling red XP's for under MSRP from the start.

I ended up buying 2 additional cars; different makes/styles for a total of 3. Now down to 1 car......a thread for another day perhaps, but I will say I screwed up selling the Hayabusa powered buggy!!!

Your "cup of tea" comment is an excellent point..........everyone has their priorities. I'm just gad there's choices now to hopefully better the breed......otherwise we'd still be stuck building golf carts....errrr...i mean Rhinos.
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Re: rzr xp vs wildcat

For the type of riding I do, I like the XP the best. I manage very well on 95% of the trails I go on and the other 5% of the time I have to back up a couple times to make sharp turns or squeeze between trees and I think the WC would be more of a PITA to get around in.

I raced a Wildcat a few weeks ago and stomped him so bad it was sad. We were both stock and snorkeled. I have dual 2 intakes but thats the only "performance" mod I have. Stock exhaust, stock clutch, and (at the time) stock tires.

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I think there was only 1 utv in the 900-1000 class so calling it a win is kind of a joke. They did finish 2nd over all and got beat by a rzr and that is a good finish. But I think there would have been a diffrent outcome if almost everyone didnt get stuck behind the rhino blocking the coarse. As far as many other races went they havent done anything.

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Dont get me wrong I wold like to see the WC give the xp a run for there money. Im just saying up until this point they are still far behind and racing has proven that. Im not against getting a WC for myself but they need to step it up.

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78 hp is what I read.
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Where did you read that because I couldn't find it on their website anywhere?
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i just installed the muzzy wet clutch delete and benchmark ecu on my wildcat and i can verify, the wildcat is now a lion! totally night and day difference, soon as i can find another driver for my turbo rzr-s i will post my race, win or loose, since i own both, i dont feel i am biased, a win is a win

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The reliability alone on the wildcat plays a huge part in why I won't own one. Does anyone know of a good Arctic Cat that doesn't have reliability problems that isn't a m series sled? All of their dirt machines have had a lot of issues.

I would take a 4 seat rzr xp over the wc, would be faster and suspension would be as good if not better than the wc. And seeing all the rzr with 5000+ miles is why I would own another.

Hopefully they get the bugs worked out next year

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The reliability alone on the wildcat plays a huge part in why I won't own one. Does anyone know of a good Arctic Cat that doesn't have reliability problems that isn't a m series sled? All of their dirt machines have had a lot of issues.

I would take a 4 seat rzr xp over the wc, would be faster and suspension would be as good if not better than the wc. And seeing all the rzr with 5000+ miles is why I would own another.

Hopefully they get the bugs worked out next year
The XP and Wildcat have issues, but they're worth the trouble due to the fun factor.
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The reliability alone on the wildcat plays a huge part in why I won't own one. Does anyone know of a good Arctic Cat that doesn't have reliability problems that isn't a m series sled? All of their dirt machines have had a lot of issues.

I would take a 4 seat rzr xp over the wc, would be faster and suspension would be as good if not better than the wc. And seeing all the rzr with 5000+ miles is why I would own another.

Hopefully they get the bugs worked out next year
The XP and Wildcat have issues, but they're worth the trouble due to the fun factor.
This is true!

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