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Old August 12th, 2013, 06:41 PM
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Absolute Strongest Axles For 900xp (Regardless of $$$)

Looking for the absolute closest thing to bulletproof that one can get, regardless of $$$. I do not want to ever deal with a broken axle.

That said, I don't ride that hard, but I cross rivers, streams, mud holes and can go for 90 miles one way (stopping for gas of course) and I don't want to get stranded (or at least reduce the risk, I know nothing in life is guaranteed).

I am also going to be going to a 5' Lift with 30+ OL Tires, so I need reliability with that kind of angle. Guess I need a clutch kit and some steering stops too??

Let me know what you guys all think.
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Re: Absolute Strongest Axles For 900xp (Regardless of $$$)

Would you rather break an axle or differential? Takes 2 minutes to change an axle on the trail. You have a similar set up to my friends and me. We all run Super ATV Rhino axles. The only time they break is when a boot gets busted and mud gets in there and does it's damage. We abuse the hell of of these XP's and Rhinos have been pretty reliable. One year warranty is nice too. We all carry spares with us also.
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300m axles is what your wanting then!
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Turner axles.. $$$ but the strongest out there.
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John if I can be of any assistance with our Rhino Brand Axles please feel free to shoot me over a PM and I will gladly assist you.
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Re: Absolute Strongest Axles For 900xp (Regardless of $$$)

I'm in the quest for a good axle setup too and from what I've heard and read a bit, Summer Brother's are making an excellent axle and then you upgrade the CV joints to those off of the RZR 570. - there's a thread on this (that's just sort of starting to get responses). Seems like I'm on the right track with this, thus far.

I already have the Summers Bro's axles - now just need to get the cv joints...
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The 570 has better joints?
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Quote: Originally Posted by Johnny View Post
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How can I find these if you don't mind? I am a little new at knowing where all the resources are.

I really appreciate the feedback.

Also, what about VooDoo Axles? Are these on the same playing field as Turners??

Thanks again guys!!!
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The 570 has better joints?
Yes..I was told, because they have to perform at more extreme angles?
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Re: Absolute Strongest Axles For 900xp (Regardless of $$$)

Just a thought to throw your way. Knines! I havnt broke a stock axle running true 31" tires yet and I dont know of anyone who has.

http://www.rzrforums.net/knine-racin...xle-armor.html
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Re: Absolute Strongest Axles For 900xp (Regardless of $$$)

Quote: Originally Posted by ABBOTT View Post
Looking for the absolute closest thing to bulletproof that one can get, regardless of $$$. I do not want to ever deal with a broken axle.

That said, I don't ride that hard, but I cross rivers, streams, mud holes and can go for 90 miles one way (stopping for gas of course) and I don't want to get stranded (or at least reduce the risk, I know nothing in life is guaranteed).

I am also going to be going to a 5' Lift with 30+ OL Tires, so I need reliability with that kind of angle. Guess I need a clutch kit and some steering stops too??

Let me know what you guys all think.
You are going to get a dozen different answers on this. Everyone knows someone who broke XXX axle backing off the trailer on its first ride, etc. Also it really seems that certain brands just work better on certain machines.

With that said, I WOULD NOT simply buy an axle shaft. The stock CVs are weak. Add on that 5" lift and put extra angle on it and its even worse. Buy the whole assembly. I only run stocks up front (with steering stops). Mainly because if I break a front axle I can limp around the rest of the weekend. They are also much cheaper and easier to replace than a diff. Rears, well I prefer to have both rear axles functioning at all times. I run Gorillas in the rear. I tried Rhinos and

Turner Evos are said to be the best. They are the most expensive and their turnaround time is slow (from what I hear). Gorillas are great. I have heard mixed reviews on their CS, but I'm close enough to drive to them if I need anything. Also at Mud Nationals they do free repairs.

Cobras are some other axles to look into. Its a guy in Houston who machines car CVs and axles to work for us. His price is reasonable and his CS is said to be very good.
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Re: Absolute Strongest Axles For 900xp (Regardless of $$$)

I have to protest something DSB said above. Two minutes to change out an axle in the field? Come on now.


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Re: Absolute Strongest Axles For 900xp (Regardless of $$$)

They have been talking about using the 570 CV's with Summers Bros. axles on another UTV site for awhile. I think several of the desert race UTV's have been using this combo.

LET's TALK AXLES!

Here is the thing with axles and the UTV market. IMO they have not figured this out yet. Bigger is not always better! It seems like when you look at all the replacement axles companies you see Rhino, Gorilla, Cobra, Turner ect... But what I see is bigger & bigger axles which are much heavier, thicker, dont twist and are transferring the load somewhere else. Heavier & Thicker doesn't mean better! Better material, better engineering means better!

There is a balancing act with improving a part or over building a part. We all want our vehicles to be bullet proof, but when you strengthen one part you have now shifted the weak link somewhere else. Trophy Truck & Class 1 builders have been chasing this for years, they kept building bigger to be stronger, but they in turn have added huge amounts of weight, which has not necessarily made the vehicles stronger & worker better. If you look in the past few years you are seeing lighter vehicles built as they are finding a lighter more nimble vehicle is also not as hard on the equipment.

Also when you build a bigger, thicker axle you are taking the twist out of the axle. In theory you would want to take the twist out of the axle, as this is what is snapping the axle. But factually a well engineered axle should be able to twist like a torsion bar. By allowing the axle to torsionaly twist you are absorbing the shock load to the CV's and driveline components.

This is why Summers Brother probably makes the best axles in the UTV industry. They have been around for a long time in motorsports and they understand this. Sway-A-Way, maker of torsion bars, sway bars & axles is a huge believer of torsional axles, and they to have been doing this in the motorsports industry for longer then the the word UTV has been around. How long have these UTV axle builders been around? Are they just taking car parts and adapting them to UTV's? I would like to see Sway-A-Way enter the UTV market. I think they could build an affordable alternative to these bigger axles.

The secret is balancing diameter vs material and manufacturing process to make the best axle possible. Just machining a axle out of steel and making it 50% bigger does not make it better. All it has done is make the axle much heavier, more rigid and that shock load is now transferred to the next weakest link, dif & cv's. I think this is why you hear and see so many dif failures. How many of those with dif failures have bigger axles and big mud bogging tires? I agree the stock XP axles are weak. But its not necessarily the size, as much as its the poor quality material used and the process being used to make those axles.

IMO the ideal axle would be 15-20% larger in diameter, made of 300M material, heat treated to be torsional and gun drilled to reduce the weight, and by doing so would be as close to stock weight if not lighter.

So bottom line IMO right now I would think the best package is going to be the Summers Bros axles with the 570 cv joints. But don't take my word for it, do some homework and call these axles manufactures. Ask about torsional twist.

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I can definitely attest to the Trophy Truck analogy. As soon as we "bullet proof" something, we find the next thing that needs upgraded.
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