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Old December 9th, 2012, 08:04 PM
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Re: New CA helmet law and kids in back seat - One solution

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This may be a dumb question, but does the law actually state DOT as a requirement?
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Re: New CA helmet law and kids in back seat - One solution

I went through so many freakin' helmet to try fit my 8 yr old daughter. NONE of them where light enough for her neck. She would try them on .... yea, fits great, NO problem UNTIL about 2 hours into the ride... and her neck would get sore and END THE DAY.

Here's what finally solved my problem:

Smith Optics Unisex Child Holt Junior Snow Sports Helmet
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She can ride ALL day with ZERO neck problems. It's NOT DOT approved. So just for giggles, I bought some DOT STICKERS off ebay and stuck them on there. No tickets or problems yet. Your mileage may vary, just what I did.
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Re: New CA helmet law and kids in back seat - One solution

Simply put above. Helmets are not going to be comfortable for children. They will have sore necks due to helmet weight. Think why we had this law in the first place. Did you know that Atv's and UTV have to wear a helmet by law, but dirt bikes are exempt. You say its the law for them too. Well Sir it is not. Ask the US Forest Service or Law Enforcment official and they will tell you that dirt bikes on forest service roads or trails do not need a helmet by law. Stupid laws are created by stupid people. I found this out the hard way regarding certain CA laws. Yes they do not makes since but its the law.
Again ATV's and UTV require helmets.
Dirt bikes NO helmet requirement by law in CALIF. Read the sections and you will see.
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Re: New CA helmet law and kids in back seat - One solution

OK what about those little half helmets the Harley guys are often seen wearing? I just looked and some are D.O.T. approved per their ads. Those would surely be light enough? Some are on sale right now at rockymountainatv.com and a few even look kinda cool. hmmmmmm
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OK what about those little half helmets the Harley guys are often seen wearing? I just looked and some are D.O.T. approved per their ads. Those would surely be light enough? Some are on sale right now at rockymountainatv.com and a few even look kinda cool. hmmmmmm
Those half Harley style helmets might be light enough, but try to find one small enough to properly fit a small child? That is one problem and then the other is still the fact that the back of the helmet is still to thick and pushes the child's head forward when trying to sit in the seat.
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Re: New CA helmet law and kids in back seat - One solution

So, if I spend $100k on a really nice sand rail, will this law still reach out and bite me? I can't wait to put Kalifornia in the rear view mirror, which my RZR has because its street licensed in AZ!
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Re: New CA helmet law and kids in back seat - One solution

I believe the law applies to 1000cc or less. You should be ok.
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Re: New CA helmet law and kids in back seat - One solution

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So, if I spend $100k on a really nice sand rail, will this law still reach out and bite me? I can't wait to put Kalifornia in the rear view mirror, which my RZR has because its street licensed in AZ!
Nope your fine! Put your kid in a 500 hp buggy with no helmet and strap them in using bungee cords and you are totally legal. Unsafe & stupid, but legal.

Personally I think it is only time before they make a law stating all OHV riders must wear a helmet. Somehow though they will over look motorcycles like they have already. You must wear a helmet on a ATV and soon UTV, but a motorcycle off-road is not required to wear a helmet!
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Re: New CA helmet law and kids in back seat - One solution

I believe the law states that anyone in a UTV, adult or child, has to wear a helmet after the first of the year. As for the motorcycle folks not needing a helmet, I am not sure where you are getting that info. At Ocotillo Wells, the sign is very clear: No Helmet = No Ride.
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Re: New CA helmet law and kids in back seat - One solution

Quote: Originally Posted by TaterMash View Post
I believe the law states that anyone in a UTV, adult or child, has to wear a helmet after the first of the year. As for the motorcycle folks not needing a helmet, I am not sure where you are getting that info. At Ocotillo Wells, the sign is very clear: No Helmet = No Ride.
Per the BLM's website;
If you are riding a motorcycle at the ISDRA off road, are you required to wear a helmet?

No, but it is recommended. Helmet use is required on ATVs only. CVC 38505.

BLM Website - Frequently Asked Questions - Laws and Safety

If there is no Vehicle Code (VC) then they cant site you for not wearing a helmet on a off-road motorcycle. Next time in Ocotillo ask a BLM Ranger for the VC for not wearing a helmet on a off-road MC? Currently the only VC's are for ATV's and after Jan1st UTV's. I was shocked when I learned this too. This is one more reason why the UTV law is so flawed.

But what you need to remember is the UTV law was pushed by the manufactures, their own funded organization (ROVHA) and their lobbyist. The MC manufactures are not pushing the helmet law for off-road recreation, and until they do and pay for it, no one is going to write and pass a law. The manufactures are pushing these laws due to liability and past lawsuits. If it was not for that they probably would careless if you had a helmet or not. They are protecting their bottom line, not your safety.

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Re: New CA helmet law and kids in back seat - One solution

Although about 1/2 of Ocotillo Wells is BLM land, the other 1/2 is State. The 1/2 that is BLM is still enforced by the State Park Rangers. I have never seen a BLM ranger there. The BLM may not enforce helmet wearing while riding a motorcycle on their land, but I know the state rangers will enforce it on state land and the BLM land controlled by them. I will have to see if there's a CVC posted on the sign next time I am there. CVC 27803 deals with helmets and motorcycles, but section(d) clearly states while on highways. Now you have me intrigued.
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Re: New CA helmet law and kids in back seat - One solution

Quote: Originally Posted by mooseknuckle View Post
This may be a dumb question, but does the law actually state DOT as a requirement?

CA bill 1595 doesn't state the DOT part but it refers you to the same requirements for on road motorcycles which states DOT helmet required.
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Re: New CA helmet law and kids in back seat - One solution

Quote: Originally Posted by Kalop View Post
I went through so many freakin' helmet to try fit my 8 yr old daughter. NONE of them where light enough for her neck. She would try them on .... yea, fits great, NO problem UNTIL about 2 hours into the ride... and her neck would get sore and END THE DAY.

Here's what finally solved my problem:

Smith Optics Unisex Child Holt Junior Snow Sports Helmet
Amazon.com: Smith Optics Holt Junior Helmet, Youth, White Floral: Sports & Outdoors

She can ride ALL day with ZERO neck problems. It's NOT DOT approved. So just for giggles, I bought some DOT STICKERS off ebay and stuck them on there. No tickets or problems yet. Your mileage may vary, just what I did.

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Quote: Originally Posted by TaterMash View Post
Although about 1/2 of Ocotillo Wells is BLM land, the other 1/2 is State. The 1/2 that is BLM is still enforced by the State Park Rangers. I have never seen a BLM ranger there. The BLM may not enforce helmet wearing while riding a motorcycle on their land, but I know the state rangers will enforce it on state land and the BLM land controlled by them. I will have to see if there's a CVC posted on the sign next time I am there. CVC 27803 deals with helmets and motorcycles, but section(d) clearly states while on highways. Now you have me intrigued.
I would have to believe all rangers, BLM or Park would have to follow the same laws. The CVC is a California Vehicle Code, not just some Federal Law. BLM follows Federal Law, but also has to follow State laws for which they are in. Park Rangers would do the same, to the best of my knowledge? Like I mentioned the only off-road helmets laws that seem to be in the books are for ATV's and soon UTV's. It make no sense why a off road motorcycle would not have to have some sort of helmet rule, yet I have not found one and the BLM site does not show one exists. They clearly state it is suggested, but not a law to have to wear one.
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