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Old December 18th, 2013, 06:05 PM
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Re: What winch offers more than just 40' of synthetic rope?

Great info....will a wide spool work on the xp1000?
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Re: What winch offers more than just 40' of synthetic rope?

Just carry another 40 foot of winch line, tree straps and snatch blocks. that will pretty much get you out of most situations. Also always use a snatch block to half the load on the winch.
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Re: What winch offers more than just 40' of synthetic rope?

Quote: Originally Posted by RMR Man View Post
Dune, my viper came with 50 feet too. All spooled on there by hand, in the factory, all nice and neat. Then one night, after a long winching operation, I found that unless I cleaned all mud sticks and leaves off of the cable as it went in, that 50 feet was never going to go back on there. So I cut off about 6 feet and now I don't have to babysit it when it goes back on the spool to make it all fit. I think if it's mounted out on the front bumper you can get away with a lot more debris wrapped up on the spool.
Thanks that's good info.

with any winch one has to leave a few feet on the spool so operationally you loose a little. Like was mentioned its best to use a strap of you need more. I carry a crane strap because it's a continuous loop and very handy for throwing around a rock or looping around a tree to pull from. T was less than 20 bucks too.

As for the Venom I have only used it twice and it seems to be strong. There is a thread on here that it's made in the same Chinese factory as Vipers.
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Re: What winch offers more than just 40' of synthetic rope?

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Quote: Originally Posted by RMR Man View Post
Dune, my viper came with 50 feet too. All spooled on there by hand, in the factory, all nice and neat. Then one night, after a long winching operation, I found that unless I cleaned all mud sticks and leaves off of the cable as it went in, that 50 feet was never going to go back on there. So I cut off about 6 feet and now I don't have to babysit it when it goes back on the spool to make it all fit. I think if it's mounted out on the front bumper you can get away with a lot more debris wrapped up on the spool.
Thanks that's good info.

with any winch one has to leave a few feet on the spool so operationally you loose a little. Like was mentioned its best to use a strap of you need more. I carry a crane strap because it's a continuous loop and very handy for throwing around a rock or looping around a tree to pull from. T was less than 20 bucks too.

As for the Venom I have only used it twice and it seems to be strong. There is a thread on here that it's made in the same Chinese factory as Vipers.

All winches are made in China in one way or another these days. if not assembled there, then the internals are made there and assembled here.
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Re: What winch offers more than just 40' of synthetic rope?

Hey Gang,
Nice thread. A few things I can chime in to help.

1. Our VIPER MAX series is available with 50' of cable.

2. Our VIPER ELITE series comes with a thicker, 40' of cable.

3. The cable we use is patented AMSTEEL-BLUE made in good 'ol USA. The patent is because there is a hardshell coating on the rope to help prevent snagging. Generic Chinese cables don't have this.

4. Widespool winches do not fit in standard RZR or XP900. We are close to finishing our mount that will fit widespool for XP1000. Our VIPER widespool winches come with 65' of cable -- longest in the industry by at least 10'.

5. We will release our new EVOLUTION bumper in April that can take the widespool winch and be rated for 5000lbs. So you will all have a great options for bumper/winch combination for standard RZR's and XP900's if you want a winch with longer cable.

6. Our winches are made in China, but we control the engineering and design. That is because we are a full powersports' company/operation like WARN. We've made tons of design changes/additions over the years.

7. Venom winches may be made in the same factory (there are not a ton of winch factories in China), but the guy that runs Venom is a winch-importer only. He also does Xtreme winches and used to work for us before he left abruptly one Friday and had his own winch about 8 weeks later. To my knowledge, he does no engineering -- only takes stock winches off the shelf from China.

8. Nearly all companies take stock winches off the shelf from China and stick private company labels on them. I know we and WARN do not.

9. To my knowledge, we and WARN are the only two full powersports' operations in the USA with an expansive product line that we engineer ourselves (heaters, bumpers, plows, lights, winches, implements, etc.) -- and not just an importer of product, or a specialist in one thing.


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Re: What winch offers more than just 40' of synthetic rope?

Well Said Peter!

BTW, LOVE my Widespool Viper Elite winch! I got mine before you added the longer rope but it has Never let me down!
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Re: What winch offers more than just 40' of synthetic rope?

Awesome! You ever need the 65' replacement come to me for a discount. Great to hear from you again.
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Re: What winch offers more than just 40' of synthetic rope?

Warn 9.0RC has a 4.8 HP motor, weighs 50 pounds, has 50 feet of synthetic line and pulls 2000 pounds at 16 feet per minute.

Ramsey XXX 6000 pulls 3000 pounds at 20 feet per minute and weighs 50 pounds.

A Superwinch Terra 35R (3500 pounds) has a 1.6HP motor and pulls 3000 pounds at 9 feet per minute.

Yes they are overkill for a UTV but no worries of overloading, breakage or having to stop and let it cool off.

Warn still makes (assembles?) some winches in the USA, not sure of the component origin, but it was shown on a "factory tour" television show not too long ago.

Sad that everything has gone to china, especially when a good truck winch easily costs $1,000. Pretty hard for me to believe ALL of those parts could not be made in house in America and still allow room for profit. Guess people are happy to buy a winch for $200....

I've heard the "we are different" or "we own the factory" from too many middle to high level companies pitching their product and its the same crap thats made everywhere else. One was a $400 retail portable camp shower and water heater and the reviews were abysmal. Chinese factories are in the business of cranking out widgets. They could care less if it costs $400 retail or breaks in two months. Hopefully you will come back and buy another one. Great business model they have going there....

Buying a good used winch (or any other product) puts the money in some else's pocket and re-uses a product that is already here instead of importing another piece of junk Chinese winch that is not going to last anyway.

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but these are things people don't think about. They just go buy whatever is cheap or recommended or popular with no thought of the rest of the story.

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Re: What winch offers more than just 40' of synthetic rope?

Love your thoughts, FLATBACK. Thanks for sharing them. They are true in many ways for many companies, but do not tell the story for us at Motoalliance.

Please Google "M&L Industries" or click this link: mlind.com - M & L Industries, Inc. - Machining & Fabrication

This is my father's manufacturing company in Rogers, MN. He's had it for 35 years. Our business at Motoalliance is a spin-off from that company. M&L Industries is a high-end manufacturer for large companies in the USA.

We sell tens of thousand of products every year, and use about 15 manufacturers to make our engineered ideas and designs....including several in the USA. Many items are either made partially or fully right here in the USA, and my father's business gets the bulk of what we make here. We use some suppliers in China and one in France too.

So while there are A LOT of just import companies that get everything made in China and serve as a middle man as you said, we are not one of them. We are a full, end-to-end powersports' operation that creates/designs and sells our own products -- both through 350+ dealers, Cabela's, Sportsman Guide, and (most importantly) direct to you. I control the manufacturing process all the way through.

So when you buy something from us, even if that particular product is made in China, you are still directly supporting our American engineers and dealers and customer service reps, as well as indirectly supporting my father's welders and fabricators as we generate revenue that can be used to build more business with them.


And in terms of winch development.....we are already in "concept stage" for a fully USA-made VIPER winch. I will tell you everything I know about the costs of such things as we get more into it in 2014. It is a VERY TALL order to compete on price, but we are looking for some very cool innovations that might make it worth a higher price point.


At the end of the day, I may have a fancy Ph.D., but I'm just a grease monkey that grew up in my father's facility and have dirt and USA-manufacturing running deeply in my veins. I have crazy respect for the guys and gals that run those machines each day with pride.

Hope that helps. Merry Christmas
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Re: What winch offers more than just 40' of synthetic rope?

Quote: Originally Posted by Motoalliance View Post
Love your thoughts, FLATBACK. Thanks for sharing them. They are true in many ways for many companies, but do not tell the story for us at Motoalliance.

Please Google "M&L Industries" or click this link: mlind.com - M & L Industries, Inc. - Machining & Fabrication

This is my father's manufacturing company in Rogers, MN. He's had it for 35 years. Our business at Motoalliance is a spin-off from that company. M&L Industries is a high-end manufacturer for large companies in the USA.

We sell tens of thousand of products every year, and use about 15 manufacturers to make our engineered ideas and designs....including several in the USA. Many items are either made partially or fully right here in the USA, and my father's business gets the bulk of what we make here. We use some suppliers in China and one in France too.

So while there are A LOT of just import companies that get everything made in China and serve as a middle man as you said, we are not one of them. We are a full, end-to-end powersports' operation that creates/designs and sells our own products -- both through 350+ dealers, Cabela's, Sportsman Guide, and (most importantly) direct to you. I control the manufacturing process all the way through.

So when you buy something from us, even if that particular product is made in China, you are still directly supporting our American engineers and dealers and customer service reps, as well as indirectly supporting my father's welders and fabricators as we generate revenue that can be used to build more business with them.


And in terms of winch development.....we are already in "concept stage" for a fully USA-made VIPER winch. I will tell you everything I know about the costs of such things as we get more into it in 2014. It is a VERY TALL order to compete on price, but we are looking for some very cool innovations that might make it worth a higher price point.


At the end of the day, I may have a fancy Ph.D., but I'm just a grease monkey that grew up in my father's facility and have dirt and USA-manufacturing running deeply in my veins. I have crazy respect for the guys and gals that run those machines each day with pride.

Hope that helps. Merry Christmas
Warn Industries is just up the road from me and I like to buy local when I can, although buying from Warn means I'm probably still buying from someone on the net and they are still shipping my winch 500 miles for the mile or so we are apart.

Moto, I respect your efforts, candidness and overall outlook. I look forward to mounting one of your Elite winches on my ride.
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Re: What winch offers more than just 40' of synthetic rope?

Quote: Originally Posted by RMR Man View Post
Don't you love recoveries like that darkstar? NOT! Never fails its 40 degrees out when it happens.
Remember, all winches perform at their best when the line is out all the way, and the pulling power decreases as the spool fills up.
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Re: What winch offers more than just 40' of synthetic rope?

I don't think I have seen a winch thread yet that hasn't turned into a debate about winch quality and Chinese products

The OP just asked a simple question about cable length.
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Re: What winch offers more than just 40' of synthetic rope?

LOL.....it always comes down to that. Two simple things:

1. All winches are made to some degree in China. Only difference is to what degree. Most are copycat generic winches with company-specific labels. Some, like us and WARN, do engineering in the States and then produce some/all components in China.

2. We are working on a fully USA made winch for 2015. I will update you on costs and feasibility of this kind of project.

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Re: What winch offers more than just 40' of synthetic rope?

I have bought three winches from MotoAlliance.
Each time I have looked into and compared buying a Warn since they are headquartered in Oregon, where I live. But each time I end up buying from MotoAlliance. There is a huge price difference and MotoAlliance provides great service and support to our forum.
I don't need a winch very often, but each time I have used them, they have done the job.
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