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Re: modified stock cage |
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June 2nd, 2008, 06:53 AM
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Re: modified stock cage
Two firemen were killed just a few weeks ago in an RZR. Rolled over backwards, stock cage folded like a cheap suit.
The stock cage is made of .065 HREW.
Most of the aftermarket cages I have seen are .090 HREW.
1020 DOM has twice the tensile strength of typical mild HREW.
I don't like Chrome Moly and neither does Nascar. The problem with Chrome Moly is that it is very hard to weld correctly and cure the weld.
The result is you usually have a cage with great steel and bad welds.
1020 DOM is the gold standard for offroad cages, it has almost the same strength as Chrome Moly and an average welder can make very strong welds. The result is a better cage and less costs.
I have seen 3 stock cages after mild, relatively low speed accidents.
I think it is a POS and a lawsuit waiting to happen.
BTW, Chris at UTV magazine replaced his re-inforced stock cage with an aftermarket cage after just a few races.
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Re: modified stock cage |
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June 2nd, 2008, 07:04 AM
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Family Powersports
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First Name: Andrew
My RZR: Fast one
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Re: modified stock cage
Long Travel Kit for RZR Rzrtech.com - I got 4 cages from Steve and was VERY happy with all four of them. He has tons of options for his cages, anything from door skins to a stock oem replacement with seatbelt mounts and all. His cages are pretty affordable, check him out.
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June 13th, 2008, 12:09 PM
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First Name: doc
My RZR: plain jane
Location: iowa
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Re: modified stock cage
Crush or impact zones are in the front and rear of the vehicle, NOT the top. The cage around a race car is rigid to protect the occupants. I've got my new cage on and love it. I don't care what it looks like, I just wanted to know that in the event of a rollover the cage wasn't going to come down on me. Look at razrgirls' photos that is with the bracing behind the main cage. Without that bracing it could have been worse.
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June 13th, 2008, 01:10 PM
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ssroadster
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Re: modified stock cage
Redman are you talking about the two fireman in Southern Oregon. If so I do not know anyone who could have built a cage to save those two. Not trying to becold harded, but the flipped backwards and tumbled over 1200' down into a canyon. If you know of someone who came build a cage for that kind of accident and are willing to put it in writing go for it. Just my .02
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June 13th, 2008, 01:18 PM
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First Name: Darr
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Re: modified stock cage
im waiting for an exoskeleton like cage to come out..something that goes from front to back and down the sides...like a rock crawler. until then i will hope for the best
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August 7th, 2008, 11:02 AM
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Re: modified stock cage
Mudinyeri, where are those pics taken at? Those rocks look like a lot of fun.
Josh
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August 13th, 2008, 06:45 PM
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Re: modified stock cage
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Originally Posted by RedMan
The problem with Chrome Moly is that it is very hard to weld correctly and cure the weld.
The result is you usually have a cage with great steel and bad welds.
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Redman,
That actually is not the case with 4140/4340 that is under .250" thick. The normalization process has not been able to make the weld hold better, the parent material usually always fails at the HAZ. Everything on a UTV is going to use a light wall so no problems. The number one overriding factor for not using chromo is cost, not welding in my experience.
My .02 from experience/training/testing
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August 16th, 2008, 10:26 PM
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First Name: Chris
My RZR: 09 RZR S
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Re: modified stock cage
Don t know if the info I got was correct, but saw some cages being made in a shop. The do trophy truck and were using .090 and .120Chrom tube and welding it with a mig welder with ER70s wire. I question them on it and was told that is fine and that it was a myth that it had to be tig welded. They dont even have it norm'd or heat treated. They went as far as to show me some rolled truck cages and although the tube was bent ... it didnt tear split at any welds.
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August 17th, 2008, 06:02 AM
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Re: modified stock cage
i would much rather replace the $490.00 dollar stock cage than take a chance on bending the frame that would be very expensive to fix polaris parts are not cheap
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August 17th, 2008, 08:36 AM
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Re: modified stock cage
i bent my frame in 5 places with the stock cage
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August 17th, 2008, 08:07 PM
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My RZR: 2008
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Re: modified stock cage
I guess anyone can say anything at anytime and really not know what they are saying or meaning. You guys that are responding to male hormones. Have either one of you had a stock roll cage tested? At what point do they collapse or not collapse? Will they hold a 1000 lbs RZR in a roll over? Not just words, proof. Should they not be provided by the manufacture? Words are easy but proof is in the pudding. Come on guys put up or shut up
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August 17th, 2008, 08:28 PM
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First Name: Chris
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Re: modified stock cage
I know they have changed the tube psi for the 09. It is 30% stronger They went from 50k psi to 75k psi. Does that mean there was a problem? They woudn't change it unless there was in my mind.
its about half way in on the video and the talk about the changes in the cage.
YouTube - 2009 Polaris RZR S Specifications
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August 18th, 2008, 02:14 AM
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Re: modified stock cage
But hink about one thing... Stock cage is ideal for transportation, I can easy fold this cage to pack all machine into the lower create. Is weak, that is true.
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August 18th, 2008, 07:07 AM
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Re: modified stock cage
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Originally Posted by Nor-Cal RZR
Amen, safer after market roll cages aren't that expensive.
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were you trying to be funny? I think aftermarket cages are expensive. Shit it cost more money top get a cage made for the rzr then our 69 Camaro. That aint right.
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August 18th, 2008, 05:31 PM
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razor abuser
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First Name: todd
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Re: modified stock cage
????? just depends on where you buy bud shop around mine was a little under 500 delivered to my doorstep
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