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Old April 23rd, 2012, 07:02 AM
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Looking for hidden or little known poi's near WolfPen

My wife works with a woman that has a cabin near the base of Eagle mountain. She calls the area the Sugar Creek side of WolfPen, but looking at the maps, I'm not sure this is accurate. I believe there is a Sugar Creek mountain on that side but that's not where the Sugar Creek trail system is. Anyways, the woman told my wife about a turquoise mine, a slate mine, an old west town, and a shack that supposedly belonged to Rooster Cogburn. Not sure if it really did or if they just call it that. I was hoping some of you that are more familiar with the area might know where some of these places are. I have also talked to people in the area that said there is a swimming hole inside a cave or mine shaft but I've never been able to find it. If anyone is familiar with any of these places, please post up. We'd love to see them and any other neat places in the area.
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Old April 24th, 2012, 01:22 PM
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Re: Looking for hidden or little known poi's near WolfPen

Sugar Creek is south of WPG. Mr. Cogburn pass away at the age of 104 about 5 years back. BTW, I don't believe the part played by John Wayne was based on any real person. Mr. Cogburn's shack is located just across from Shady Rest. Shady Rest and the shack belongs to Mr. Cogburn's son. It is a very nice place to stay, as is Sugar Creek Lodge - Roger and Christian are great folks.

While I have heard of various mines, I have not found any. There is the cave/tunnel that goes through the mountain over NE of WPG. While there are swimming holes on several of the creeks, the only one that I have found that is really notable is the Blue Hole over off 99 East of Albert Pike.

Oh, and there is an open area SE of Albert Pike where they haul rock that appeared to have closed years ago, but you can still ride over there - not much to see though.

If you find a cave with a swimming hole or other mine shafts, I would be interested to hear about them.

And, I have never heard of any old west town. Sugar Creek Lodge is set-up like an old west town though, with a general store, church, school/gym etc.
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Sugar Creek is south of WPG. Mr. Cogburn pass away at the age of 104 about 5 years back. BTW, I don't believe the part played by John Wayne was based on any real person. Mr. Cogburn's shack is located just across from Shady Rest. Shady Rest and the shack belongs to Mr. Cogburn's son. It is a very nice place to stay, as is Sugar Creek Lodge - Roger and Christian are great folks.

While I have heard of various mines, I have not found any. There is the cave/tunnel that goes through the mountain over NE of WPG. While there are swimming holes on several of the creeks, the only one that I have found that is really notable is the Blue Hole over off 99 East of Albert Pike.

Oh, and there is an open area SE of Albert Pike where they haul rock that appeared to have closed years ago, but you can still ride over there - not much to see though.

If you find a cave with a swimming hole or other mine shafts, I would be interested to hear about them.

And, I have never heard of any old west town. Sugar Creek Lodge is set-up like an old west town though, with a general store, church, school/gym etc.
I think the cave with the swimming hole would be the old mine or cave on the left as you headed towards Shin Bone. You have to walk across the creek to see it and it is full of water.
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Thanks for the info. I was told to get to the old west town, take 375 past the south trailhead of WolfPen and turn right on Polk 81. There is a bridge across the creek right where you turn and another one a ways down 81 but there's a sign that says bridge out, so we had to turn around. This was the only poi I had directions to, but we're trying to organize a ride with the people that know these places soon. The town supposedly has a saloon and people can rent it out.

Where is Shin Bone? I've been riding over near Albert Pike for years and just now starting to learn the other areas because all the trails near Albert Pike are closed. Even 99 is off limits to atv's now so you can't even ride to the blue hole and I've been riding up there for 25 years.

The cave or tunnel that goes through the mountain, is that the mine shaft with the metal bars inside WolfPen or something else? If its something else I'd like to see it.
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Re: Looking for hidden or little known poi's near WolfPen

I was up there last weekend and 99 to the Blue Hole is not closed. However, 512 is now closed where the trail begins at the end of the improved road. Also, Coyote Trail is now closed.

The "old town" you are referring to is Sugar Creek Lodge.

Do you know which bridge is out? I thought it was the one off of 81. You take the second turn to the right on 81 going south. I thought it was that bridge at the turn?

I have never seen the cave with the swimming hole. I would love to see that. Arkyrider - do you have GPS coordinates?
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99 is off limits to atv's. It says so on the mvum and the forest service was handing out big tickets when I was up there about a month ago. The ranger I talked to said registered vehicles were ok but no atv's. This is confirmed on the new mvum. They had an all day checkpoint setup at the corner of 73 and 99 which just happened to be where I was camped. They handed out tickets all day. There are no signs that show 99 to be off limits but according to the ranger you have to have a mvum and follow it.

We crossed the first bridge on 81 where you turn off of 375, so it's the next one I guess.

Where is Coyote trail? Is that trail behind one of the campsites on 512? Many people I have ridden with called it Lost Mountain trail but as usual I'm not sure that is correct. According to my Gps lost mountain is past Little Missouri Falls back toward WolfPen. According to my gps the mountain between 512 which is also long creek road and crooked creek road which is the next road to the North is SugarTree mountain.

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Re: Looking for hidden or little known poi's near WolfPen

I do believe we were at sugar creek a couple of weeks ago...this might just be the hall (dance hall, saloon!, etc) very cool place!
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I bet that is what she is talking about. When someone tells me there is an old west town that's not what I have in my mind but looking at the picture an considering the location I'm sure that's it. Does look neat though
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99 is off limits to atv's. It says so on the mvum and the forest service was handing out big tickets when I was up there about a month ago. The ranger I talked to said registered vehicles were ok but no atv's. This is confirmed on the new mvum. They had an all day checkpoint setup at the corner of 73 and 99 which just happened to be where I was camped. They handed out tickets all day. There are no signs that show 99 to be off limits but according to the ranger you have to have a mvum and follow it.

We crossed the first bridge on 81 where you turn off of 375, so it's the next one I guess.

Where is Coyote trail? Is that trail behind one of the campsites on 512? Many people I have ridden with called it Lost Mountain trail but as usual I'm not sure that is correct. According to my Gps lost mountain is past Little Missouri Falls back toward WolfPen. According to my gps the mountain between 512 which is also long creek road and crooked creek road which is the next road to the North is SugarTree mountain.
You are correct about the MVUM. If it is not shown as open on the MVUM then it is considered closed. Also you need to know which roads shown as open are only opened seasonally. There is a real faint blue shadow that shows those areas. You really need two maps. Back and front sides, the back side lists the (literally) hundreds of seasonal open, speacial vehicle open and many other types of open or closed for what ever reason either year round or seasonally. It is quite a joke.
The new MVUM does not calll for a sign a berm or a gate for something to be closed. The FS believes it is our responsibility to look at the joke of a map and know exactly what is open and what is not.
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Yeah, it's pretty bad. The ranger told me they don't use signs because people just tear them down or shoot them full of holes, and we all know people drive over and around the burms. There's just no good reason to close most of what they have closed. For instance 99 is open to registered vehicles. What are we gonna hurt that they won't?
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Yeah, it's pretty bad. The ranger told me they don't use signs because people just tear them down or shoot them full of holes, and we all know people drive over and around the burms. There's just no good reason to close most of what they have closed. For instance 99 is open to registered vehicles. What are we gonna hurt that they won't?
The owner of the Blue Hole wanted to stop people from going there.
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Figures. Every time I went the gate was open.
Now where is the coyote trail and the tunnel through the mountain? I'd also like to know where shin bone is but I guess it's closed anyways.
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Coyote is off of 512 on the right coming from Albert Pike. There is a area there where people have camped for years and it is right before a creek crossing. 99 Is closed to ORV. My question is: Can I unload at Albert Pike (have cabin there) and ride the road around to WPG??? I have not been able to ride since the new laws were in place, but have studied the map and cannot figure that answer out.
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Absolutely. Take the road to Little Missouri Falls. Keep going until you get to WolfPen basically. Take 73 past 512. Turn on the next road to the left. That's Albert Pike Road. When that road y's take a left again. That's Mine Creek road. It's also 539. Continue past little Missouri falls where the road becomes 601. Stay on 601 until you get to 84. Take a right and the WolfPen east trailhead is up that road about a mile and a half, or stay on 601 about 7 more miles to the West Trailhead.

Looks like I spoke too soon. According to the bs MVUM, that short piece of 84 is open to highway legal vehicles only, so you would have to stay on 601 the extra 7 miles to the west trailhead. Whoever drew this mess up is an idiot. Why not send people up the 1.5 mile stretch of 84 to get them off 601 and into WolfPen 7 miles earlier. Also that road is a little rough. Not bad, but I'd rather do it in my Rzr than my truck.

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Cool, Thanks... No college degrees or any continuing adult education training has taught me how to read that map!! I think I am using reasoning and design development in trying to understand the maps and need to take it for what it is.. Kind of a like a 3rd grader with colors and when they changed colors it was because they wanted a different one.. simple
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