Hey everyone I have seen a lot of questions on this thread and being one of the top off-road lighting companies we believe in educating and informing enthusiasts on products including our own. I will post some articles later and give info. if you have any questions please feel free to ask.
jbeane your question is a very important one and I will give you as much knowledge about our lights as possible. As far as Diodes/emitters Baja Designs picks from the highest quality "bin" T-6 to be exact, which is the best quality in that color temperature. Our housing is designed and made in the U.S. custom designed by our head engineer with over 30 years in off-road experience. We use copper boards which dissipates heat and is much more efficient than aluminum. I can never speak for other companies, but if you have any questions about our products we will be up front and let our lights speak for themselves; we have nothing to hide. The fact is our lights are more expensive, but you are getting a truly custom fabricated light from the optics all the way to the housing and everything in between.

Thanks,

Gordon BD

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Wheelie boy you pmd me a price of 630 for a 30 inch bar.Did I miss something? If I did Im sorry. What gives?

Did you say you wanted a price??

Yes please

Thanks for all the help I decided to buy a 20" stealth Baja Design its awsome its alot brighter than i expected the brackets work great very easy to install i have nothing to compare it to but i'm very impressed with it Gordon was very good to deal with again thanks for all your input

Very well said. I applaud this type of post, you don't accept "just stand in line and buy it cause we said it's better". I'm all for paying a "little" extra to have things assembled in the USA even if the parts are from elsewhere, but I doubt the price is just the difference in labor. Bottom line is, if you have unlimited cash to go high end on all your upgrades, you'll probably appreciate the difference in quality. If you have to watch how you spend your money like me, the other ones will do just fine.

Hey guys here is a response we gave on another forum for a customer that was asking the same questions from many other companies with no answer, I thought you might be interested. (LINK) It is very long I undersatnd if you skim read.

No problem I am here to answer question, thanks for your interest. That post is very interesting, Baja Designs and I completely agree with the original post. As people become educated on LED technology I believe we will see a considerable difference in the information companies will be required to give. The author's frustration in that post is completely understandable; how are you supposed to know what to buy when everyone advertises the same thing and say's that they're the best. When he say's "A laser has a high lumen output but is worthless beyond the narrow beam." He is exactly right, you can advertise 10,000 lumens, but you beam is directly in the middle with no pattern what so ever. It's very frustrating for us because we have seen other companies that say they are just as good as Baja Designs, but their light is bought in China and their name is placed on it, through a process called private labeling. The fact is every company has to buy one thing from china and that is the LED diodes themselves, but the LEDs are ranked from newer technology and quality "bins". For example, two companies can be using Cree or XPG LEDs, but they are placed into bins of quality; so one XPG is extremely bright and has amazing color temperature, but the other is less efficient/quality and so on and so forth. You can ask any off-road lighting company and we are the only one's who will tell you immediately no questions asked because we have nothing to hide. Our lights do cost more money because you are purchasing the same lights used on Trophy trucks, like the Menzies or Mcmillin racing in the Baja 1000; they are race lights designed for the toughest conditions. For instance, our Stealth light bar uses XPG LEDs picked from the highest quality bin, our optics are specifically designed for the best and most efficient pattern in off-road use. Baja Designs housings are made custom in house right here in California.(no pun intended) The Stealth Bar use's copper boards and a heat management system, the only lighting company to utilize this protective technology. Ultimately we challenge companies to give this information because people should know what they are buying and they should know who is really making their lights. I know this is a lot to take in, so I have posted a few articles below that should explain a little more. Thank you again for your interest and I hope this was informative.

Best Regards,

Gordon Allen
Baja Designs


"BINNING"

There are two primary performance characteristics of LED light bulbs that manufacturers use to price their LED's - Luminous output(brightness) & color temperature.
All LED light bulb manufacturers sort their bulbs for luminous output and color temp. after mass-production using a practice called "binning". Binning is complicated but in general terms, bulbs measured with the brightest luminous output & the most desirable color temperature are placed into a "bin". Each subsequent bin has lower performance ratings and/or less desirable color; until they get to the last bin with the lowest performance ratings.

Most important, the cost differential and LED quality from the highest rated bin to the lowest is significant. Example: the lowest Cree XPG model LED output bin has 20% fewer lumens per watt than the highest rated bin. To save money, many manufacturers of off-road lighting systems select from the cheaper, inferior LED bins; which produce vastly inferior results when compared to the same model LEDs from higher rated bins. Many off-road manufacturers marketing departments still claim the maximum theoretical lumens instead of what they are they are actually using.

Baja Designs only accepts bulbs from bins with the highest output bulbs and optimal color temp. for off-road. (t-6 bin)

Private Labeling

You may or may not know, but many companies buy off-the-shelf lights designed and manufactured in Korea or China and have them labeled with their brand.There are companies selling identical lights all manufactured by the same company, but each buying company slaps their own name on the lights and markets them as their own. These are cheap imitations that come no where close to achieving the optical patterns and lighting output provided by the Baja Designs' LED lighting systems. Be sure sure to always question the origins of the LED lights you are looking at.

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So what's the final word on this are the cheaper models holding Up and working well?

If so where from?

OMG, if I were a moderator of this thread, I would kill it. I know I'm a newbie but I'm just looking at light options, not constant posts of "PM" me and return requests for PM's.

yes! the TQS light bars are working and holding up great for us. weve rode 3 times so far and all on tight brush filled trails. my buddy had a branch hit is and crack the emp cooter brown top and didnt hut the TQS bar.

for the price vs performance, you cant beat em.

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