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Old December 30th, 2013, 05:41 AM
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Started an online petition to Stop BLM Harrasment in the Imperial Sand Dunes. It has come to my attention that BLM enforcement has gotten out of control. They are not there to protect and serve anymore the have become out of control. People come to the Dunes to have a good time. The Harrasment has to stop. We are going to take petition to county board of supervisors and Juan Vargas to let them know this has to stop. It has become not fun to go to the Dunes and Imperial Valley Buisness has suffered. Please help this go viral. Posted yesterday on Glamis Dunes and have overwhelming response!!

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Old December 30th, 2013, 06:01 AM
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Re: STOP BLM harassment Imperial Sand Dunes

Increased permit fee = more BLM LEO's. Went out for Thanksgiving weekend and got the shakedown for no reason. It's just more federal government when what we need is less federal government.

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Re: STOP BLM harassment Imperial Sand Dunes

The feds don't want you there disturbing the lizards and bugs. The tree huggers run the blm now, and they see all the land as theirs. They have forgotten it is Public land, that means it is our land, and they are our employees.

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Re: STOP BLM harassment Imperial Sand Dunes

They can be a pain. But at the same time there are a lot of a**holes that go to glamis and get drunk and ruin things for anyone that they come across. Happens way to often. There needs to be a happy medium.
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Re: STOP BLM harassment Imperial Sand Dunes

Your right there are a lot, but on the other hand there are alot of people who have family's who come to enjoy the Sand Dunes and other Recreation Parks that our TAX Dollars pay for. They have stopped being helpful and the MAXIMUM ENFORCEMENT and ZERO TOLERANCE has to STOP! Officers are brought in from all over the country to enforce laws that they do not understand themselves. We are looking for 100,000 signatures to take to the law makers.
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Re: STOP BLM harassment Imperial Sand Dunes

I personally think they need to make contact with as many people as they can, not to harass us but to protect us from people that are under the influence etc...
On our trails here I always stop and chat when we see the rangers on the trail. Never have I come across one with an "attitude". Good luck
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Re: STOP BLM harassment Imperial Sand Dunes

I signed the petition. And I have heard a lot of stuff about how the LEO treat people. I haven't been exposed to it directly but they are certainly here to take care of business. Make sure you have your permit, your vehicle registration, no bottles in camp, trash picked up, not draining any gray water and not under the influence or speeding on the access roads. At Thanksgiving they cited some people in the camp next to us for littering when they were letting some Chinese Lanterns fly. We were told the fine could be as high as $2,000 for each lantern...
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I've never been to Glamis but have been to many areas we ride around here that employ BLM officers. Please define "harassment". I ask because what I have seen others call harassment and once on a while, it's just them doing their jobs. One of the maddest enthusiast/LEO confrontations I've seen was over whether they had a right to drink on the dunes at LS. I am not taking sides on this one. I've seen where some of these jerks can go way overboard but at the same time, have seen people react like clowns to the very idea of a LEO asking to look inside their vehicles for things they aren't supposed to have.
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Quote: Originally Posted by DoinIt View Post
Increased permit fee = more BLM LEO's. Went out for Thanksgiving weekend and got the shakedown for no reason. It's just more federal government when what we need is less federal government.

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Shakedown? What dis? I'm serious in askin. Just curious what a shakedown is in Ca. In Texas, it's out of the car, hands on the roof and spread em.
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Re: STOP BLM harassment Imperial Sand Dunes

Skywonders,

First off I want to say that I have never been down there to see what occurs first hand and am going off of what I am reading here and in the link you posted.

What do you find or classify as "harassment?"

After reading the some of the non-specific complaints of just saying they were "harassed" for no reason, vs some that complain they were "harassed" because the BLM "checked my registration for no reason," "I let off one firework and they searched everything," "they put up a check point that is a gestapo tactic," "he had his hand on his gun" or my favorite " I was awakened by a BLM officer at 630 for not picking up my trash." Your on public lands, which means the law is enforced, the vehicle code applies. Public lands does not mean its a "free for all to do whatever they want."

Officers only need reasonable suspicion that a violation has occurred. The average stop takes no longer than 10-15 minutes with the issuance of a citation. They can take a "reasonable amount of time" to conduct their stop. If they want to do a full inspection of the vehicle, they can. I'm sure those that have had their rzr stolen would love to ensure officers are checking VIN's.

I have run across my fare share of A$$ hole officers in Pismo, and have seen them do some chickenS$*$ things but are still within the law. There are thousands of sections of the California Vehicle Code, Health and Safety Code, Penal Code, Business and Professions Code, Welfare and Institutions Code, some which are ridiculous but are there for a reason.

I would suggest that if you feel your rights have been violated, you might want to go straight to the ACLU.

You said, "MAXIMUM ENFORCEMENT and ZERO TOLERANCE has to STOP! Officers are brought in from all over the country to enforce laws that they do not understand themselves." If they did not understand the laws, they would not have graduated from an academy or that officer was trained poorly. They do the ZERO TOLERANCE because people get hurt because there are many that drive with willful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property. Why not contact the media or check the newspaper and find out how many were arrested for DUI or other crimes.

If you have a problem with an individual officer, ask for his supervisor or go to their office and file a complaint and explain why. Do it calmly and rationally. If they do nothing, take it to the next level and talk to the Lieutenant or Commander. This may not be the first time the officer was out of line.

Don't get me wrong, there are some officers that forget about the letter of the law vs the spirit of the law.

Yes, I know you are speaking your mind, I get it, First amendment. I am not taking away from that, but I would get your facts straight before you say your rights have been violated or at least explain why in greater detail.

My $.02

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Re: STOP BLM harassment Imperial Sand Dunes

^^^well said
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Been going 30 years. Around 10 years ago it went from normal Park Rangers doing what they normally do, to a massively increased presence with a primary goal of issuing as many citations as possible.

I abide by the laws, but there's been numerous times the Rangers pull into our camp for no reason other than look for infractions (that aren't there)

The backlash comes mostly from the attitude of the LEOs. They use standard Police tactics like you are a hardened criminal when they approach you, rather than how a Park Ranger would normally interact with an enthusiast

Off weekends are much better without all the imported LEOs.
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film the harassment with your go pros
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film the harassment with your go pros
Absolutely. We film just about everything imaginable with these things. Most people have them ready to go. Set it so the red light stays off and get some real evidence. This is the kind of evidence that can go viral and politicians listen when that many people see what needs to be changed.
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