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Old August 29th, 2012, 01:05 PM
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Help play in my rear wheels!!!!

My 2011 S has play in both rear wheels, it has 300 miles on the unit. The left rear wheel has 1/8" of play and the right has 1/16" of play. IMO there should be NO play in either!!!! I replaced the left rear wheel bearing, I also installed 2 new cone washers and even tried 3, I have tried torque on the axle nut from 80lbs to 100lbs and it remains unchanged. The play is in the hub, or the axle and I'm not sure which one to start replacing. With this low of mileage neither should need to be replaced. I was hoping someone has run into this problem before, I contemplated trimming off a few thousenths off of the end of the hub, but I dont want to be buying more parts.

The play is NOT coming from bushings, ball joints etc. You can clearly see play is coming from the wheel bearing area, and again I have replaced the bearing.

HELP!!!
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Old August 29th, 2012, 01:08 PM
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Re: Help play in my rear wheels!!!!

worn out, polaris uses cheap china bearings, its going to happen for sure fast if you ride in mud a lot
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Re: Help play in my rear wheels!!!!

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worn out, polaris uses cheap china bearings, its going to happen for sure fast if you ride in mud a lot

Whats worn out? The bearing is new, its a Federal Mogul bearing that has zero miles on it. It pressed into the hub just fine.
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Re: Help play in my rear wheels!!!!

Chek the hub where it goes into the bearing..ie Mic it and compare to spec in the shop manual. The hub is what the wheel mounts to, bearing carrier is what the bearing is pressed in to. Not being a smartass, just clarifying what I am talking about measuring. Many people call the bearing carrier the hub.
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Chek the hub where it goes into the bearing..ie Mic it and compare to spec in the shop manual. The hub is what the wheel mounts to, bearing carrier is what the bearing is pressed in to. Not being a smartass, just clarifying what I am talking about measuring. Many people call the bearing carrier the hub.
What he said also check the bushings where the hub attaches to the a-arm, they wear out fast cause it has no grease fittings.
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Re: Help play in my rear wheels!!!!

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Chek the hub where it goes into the bearing..ie Mic it and compare to spec in the shop manual. The hub is what the wheel mounts to, bearing carrier is what the bearing is pressed in to. Not being a smartass, just clarifying what I am talking about measuring. Many people call the bearing carrier the hub.

10-4, I'm a mechanic for a living, so I can relate to "clarifying". Yes the bearing pressed in nicely into the carrier, no excessive wear. I do suspect the hub and that is good avice, I'm just frustrated. It has to be a hub or an axle, I already wasted time and money on bearings and cone washers. Just want to get it right this time.

Gunrunner, I have checked the bushings, they are tight, and greased

Not bashing Polaris, but come on!!! My outlander has 3500 miles on it, ran in the same conditions, no wheel bearing issues.
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Quote: Originally Posted by HIGHOCTANE View Post
Chek the hub where it goes into the bearing..ie Mic it and compare to spec in the shop manual. The hub is what the wheel mounts to, bearing carrier is what the bearing is pressed in to. Not being a smartass, just clarifying what I am talking about measuring. Many people call the bearing carrier the hub.

10-4, I'm a mechanic for a living, so I can relate to "clarifying". Yes the bearing pressed in nicely into the carrier, no excessive wear. I do suspect the hub and that is good avice, I'm just frustrated. It has to be a hub or an axle, I already wasted time and money on bearings and cone washers. Just want to get it right this time.

Gunrunner, I have checked the bushings, they are tight, and greased

Not bashing Polaris, but come on!!! My outlander has 3500 miles on it, ran in the same conditions, no wheel bearing issues.
I'd be frustrated too..something we kind of deal with on Polaris'...sometimes I think the parts are out of spec from day one..I've seen bad wheel bearings and hubs with very low miles..once replaced no repeat issues for a long time..and often it's a single bearing or hub...makes me think bad QA on those parts from the get go...no screaming transmission though lol( loved my Outlander..was ready to by a new one until I heard the new frame has more issues than the old one ) Problem should not be the axle unless for some strange reason the axle nut is running out of threads before pulling the hub down tight. I won't say that's impossible..but I haven't seen it..something to check though.

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Re: Help play in my rear wheels!!!!

Its probably the hub. They are aluminum and wear down slightly, and sometimes break off. If your old bearing was shot, it might have contributed to the problem, or the splines inside that connect to the axle stub shaft are worn out. We replace these hubs all the time. There are some better aftermarket ones available, and polaris switched to a steel hub on the RZR4, that i think is a direct replacement, but not 100% sure on that one. If the bearings are good, its most likely the wheel hub, as you said all the bushings were tight.

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Re: Help play in my rear wheels!!!!

Thanks for the great advice guys! One tends to loose sight of the KISS rule when you get frustrated. The old bearing was not bad is what pissed me off the worst, I just replaced it cause I had some play in the wheel. I will order up a new hub and replace the other side if that is the cure.

Yes the outlander has given me some troubles also, just not at 300 miles. I love this RZR, but I'd rather be bolting on more accessories than parts
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Re: Help play in my rear wheels!!!!

i have a 2012 with around 150 miles and the same thing i am also a mechanic. i replaced the bearings and now i guss i will just replace everything on both sides. so its not just you lol
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Re: Help play in my rear wheels!!!!

keep in mind, the stock bushings for the rear knuckles are a flexible rubber, so you will get some movement no matter what.. but it should be easy to tell if those are moving or not..

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Re: Help play in my rear wheels!!!!

Yeah hub or bearing play should be easy for a mech to differentiate from bushing..Normal bushing flex will feel spongy..hub and /or bearing won't.. You have to really bow up on the wheel to flex the bushings lol
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Quote: Originally Posted by LSRGreg View Post
Its probably the hub. They are aluminum and wear down slightly, and sometimes break off. If your old bearing was shot, it might have contributed to the problem, or the splines inside that connect to the axle stub shaft are worn out. We replace these hubs all the time. There are some better aftermarket ones available, and polaris switched to a steel hub on the RZR4, that i think is a direct replacement, but not 100% sure on that one. If the bearings are good, its most likely the wheel hub, as you said all the bushings were tight.

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Who sells the aftermarket steel hubs? I'd like to be ready for what sounds like the inevitable.
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Re: Help play in my rear wheels!!!!

Polaris makes a steel hub for the RZR4. Its what comes on them from the factory. I want to say they are a direct replacement, but i am not 100% sure. I think the knuckles, brakes, and cv stubs are all the same, so I would think they would go right on, but I haven't tried it, so i can't say for sure. Anyone else actually try this?
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Re: Help play in my rear wheels!!!!

I think all the hubs and wheel bearing have more play in them than they should.
I tried new bearings with no change, and then billet hubs from UTV Inc and they still wiggle a little.

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