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post #31 of 43 Old May 29th, 2011, 05:27 PM Thread Starter
 
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Hello, so I enjoyed about 5 hours of quality time with my new rzr and viper 4500.

The instructions are poor, thats established but man any winch would be a bear to install in there. Granted Im working with a gimpy thumb after a motorcycle accident but yikes tight in there. My last install was using a Montana Jacks receiver kit, with Warn winch, whole different level but you get what you pay for.

Question 1 - the viper rzr winch mount kit there are 3 longer bolts that fit the winch and 6 shorter. 3 that are 1.25" long and 6 are 1" ones. Since nothing is specified I used the 3 longer ones and I couldnt screw a longer one into the passenger rear winch mount hole so I used the 1" one. Is that ok, is that by design and what did you guys do? Is it really only 12lbs for the bolt and locknut into the winch. Seems strange everything else is grade 3 bolts and then 4 small ones into the winch.

Mounting the fairlead to that bracket is a lot of fun too. I had to take one roller nut off but its on.

Question 2 - I slipped the console back and just dropped the power leads in there, I suppose I need to drop the skid and worry about the axel? It was 2am last night and I just thought about it this morning.

Any commentary would be good.

Thanks
Plainsman.............I can't remember the bolts that were used as far as the length goes! I think I used nyloc nuts on by bolts and as long as thet exit the end of the nut you should be good to go! I'm not sure why there would be (3) longer bolts???
And it is easy enough just to lift the floorboards to run the yellow/blue cables to the battery. I show a photo of this in my first post. I zip tied the cables to the side so as not to come in contact with the drive shaft. Hope this helps you out!.....Butch
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UPDATE: The cable slides right through the rubber stop so there is no need to pull the cable out to direct it through the stopper.

I also did a cheep mod on the radiator hose where it comes in contact with the winch on the right side. I didn't want it to rub on the hose so I cut about 6 inches off a spent silicone caulking tube, split it down the side with a utility knife to open it up and slid it over the hose. I then put 2 zip ties around the plastic caulking tube and secured it. Walla...no more rub on the hose, although I wish I had painted the caulking tube black!
I used a 6" piece of heater hose slit down the side and a couple of zip ties. No need to paint! Did the same thing in the rear, by the engine, where they pass very close to the frame.
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Hello, so I enjoyed about 5 hours of quality time with my new rzr and viper 4500.

The instructions are poor, thats established but man any winch would be a bear to install in there. Granted Im working with a gimpy thumb after a motorcycle accident but yikes tight in there. My last install was using a Montana Jacks receiver kit, with Warn winch, whole different level but you get what you pay for.

Question 1 - the viper rzr winch mount kit there are 3 longer bolts that fit the winch and 6 shorter. 3 that are 1.25" long and 6 are 1" ones. Since nothing is specified I used the 3 longer ones and I couldnt screw a longer one into the passenger rear winch mount hole so I used the 1" one. Is that ok, is that by design and what did you guys do? Is it really only 12lbs for the bolt and locknut into the winch. Seems strange everything else is grade 3 bolts and then 4 small ones into the winch.

Mounting the fairlead to that bracket is a lot of fun too. I had to take one roller nut off but its on.

Question 2 - I slipped the console back and just dropped the power leads in there, I suppose I need to drop the skid and worry about the axel? It was 2am last night and I just thought about it this morning.

Any commentary would be good.

Thanks
Plainsman.............I can't remember the bolts that were used as far as the length goes! I think I used nyloc nuts on by bolts and as long as thet exit the end of the nut you should be good to go! I'm not sure why there would be (3) longer bolts???
And it is easy enough just to lift the floorboards to run the yellow/blue cables to the battery. I show a photo of this in my first post. I zip tied the cables to the side so as not to come in contact with the drive shaft. Hope this helps you out!.....Butch


Thanks, I mean the bolts that go from the mount into the winch. They just screw into the winch, thats where I used the 3 longer 1.25 ones and 1x 1" bolt. I think they were 5/16th.
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Re: Installing the Viper Max 4500 winch "hope this helps"

Plainsman, it's been three or four months since I installed my winch. If I remember correctly, I only had three of the longer bolts as well. I just thought it was a packing error.

As I understand it, and I could be wrong, The short bolts were if you did not use the cross braces on the winch mounting plate. If you did use the cross braces you needed the longer bolts.

I had a buddy of mine install his without the cross braces so I just got a long bolt from him. Otherwise I was off to the hardware store.
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Re: Installing the Viper Max 4500 winch "hope this helps"

Just so Im clear, did you mount the stock winch plate to the specific rzr mount rails then to the winch? I just put the winch on the rzr kit channels like Iv seen most pictures. I read one guy here put the channel brakets then the stock plate on top of that.

Strangly there were those 3 5/16 1.25" bolts and 3 nuts for them. Ill have to call motoalliance I guess. The darn bags should simply have an identification sticker. I think the shorter ones 1" are ok through the specific rzr brackets as I can see where the bolts go up through the winch and it appears there is enough to pass all the way through the nut.

Just hate to be dangling over a bunch of rocks and the viper pulls out of the frame
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Re: Installing the Viper Max 4500 winch "hope this helps"

Hey Guys,
The RZR kit is a our most popular by a long-shot with thousands of kits sold.....and we rarely take questions in our tech support. That said, it is a bit of a challenging install and so any pictures you want to send me we'll take...... Have you checked this link: RockCrawler RZR install: MotoAlliance Viper EX4000 winch :: RockCrawler 4×4 and Offroad Magazine

We use it with all our instructions as an external link and I think guys have found it helpful.....but we'll keep adding more pictures as we get them from installs. We might bring a RZR in and see if we can get some really bright shop lights back there, too.

Thanks for the good feedback on this thread.

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That said, it's our most popular kit by a long-shot and thousands of
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Hey Guys,
The RZR kit is a our most popular by a long-shot with thousands of kits sold.....and we rarely take questions in our tech support. That said, it is a bit of a challenging install and so any pictures you want to send me we'll take...... Have you checked this link: RockCrawler RZR install: MotoAlliance Viper EX4000 winch :: RockCrawler 4×4 and Offroad Magazine

We use it with all our instructions as an external link and I think guys have found it helpful.....but we'll keep adding more pictures as we get them from installs. We might bring a RZR in and see if we can get some really bright shop lights back there, too.

Thanks for the good feedback on this thread.

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That said, it's our most popular kit by a long-shot and thousands of
Peter, I want to be clear not Im disparaging your product at all. Mounting ANY winch in there would be NOT fun.

Only other feedback I would have is some diagrams vs jpgs as the pictures are dark and label the parts with stickers.

My only outstanding question:
What is the appropriate bolt length for the specific rzr bracket mounts into the winch? And why did I get 3x 1.25 5/16 and 10 1" 5/16, also had 3 nuts in there? I used 3x 1.25s into the winch through your rzr bracket and 1 1".

Thanks much,
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Just so Im clear, did you mount the stock winch plate to the specific rzr mount rails then to the winch? I just put the winch on the rzr kit channels like Iv seen most pictures. I read one guy here put the channel brakets then the stock plate on top of that.
I think I installed the brackets and then put the plate and winch in place and secured them together.
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Re: Installing the Viper Max 4500 winch "hope this helps"

No worries about "disparging the product"....I was just tossing out there that RZR's are so popular and the install fits fine at the end of the day, but that it is, as you've said, a challenging install. Our provided pictures, though improved from two years ago, could still be updated with anything you all have. The information on this post is also outstanding and we'll use it for further instructions. And GREAT idea on the diagrams....I'll see what our engineer can come up with on that.

In terms of winch "feet" hardware....guys usually use two of the longer and two of the shorter metric bolts included with the winch package. I know it's the way WARN does it too, but it can lead to some confusion. Some installs on other UTV's and ATV's require having the longer bolts, so we try to cover as many as possible with the "standard package."

It'd be nice to have four of each length mounting bolts, but that adds to cost and guys would chuck the four that aren't used. So as it stands you can use two longer, two shorter, and have two spares in case you lose 1-2 bolts. Does that make sense?
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Re: Installing the Viper Max 4500 winch "hope this helps"

I realize this thread is almost six years old, but I was wondering if the photos mentioned in the OP might still be around somewhere. I just obtained a Viper Max for my 09 RZR and can't, for the life of me, understand how the angle brackets mount. I've got a rolling dialog going with Missy at MotoAlliance, and her replies (that I really appreciate) are very timely, but she hasn't been much help yet. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Installing the Viper Max 4500 winch "hope this helps"

Searched and can't find any photo's to help you out. I do remember those brackets having a bend or twist. They only fit one way. If I recall they run to the frame. Sorry I can't give you more. I don't have the rzr anymore............
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Peter, the photos on the instruction sheets for mounting the winch are to dark to do much good IMO.....
I mentioned the exact same thing in another post. The instruction photos should be re-done with pink or yellow mounting brackets so they clearly stand out from the undercarriage of the unit. Also, and this may be personal preference, I didn't use any of the bracket mounting bolts. I was taught to have washers on both sides and still have a minimum of 2 threads showing after the nut was tightened down....the stock hardware didn't appear to be long enough to fully engage the lock-nut with only 1 washer. That being said, the winch appears to be a good piece at a great price.
I said this nearly 6 years ago and it's still relevant...PLEASE use brightly colored brackets in your instructional pics/videos. Simply wrapping them with blue painter's tape would suffice. The job would have to be done twice (once for pics and once for final install) but it would easily be worth it for your customers to be able to see how things fit together. Maybe even throw a quick coat of water soluble paint on the brackets first then pressure wash it off when complete?

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