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Old July 20th, 2008, 02:44 PM
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how does a fuel controller work?

installed an F2 fuel controller last week. this controller comes with stock programing that is preprogrammed for a freer flowing airfilter and an aftermarket exhaust.
so i just pluged it in and off i go.. everything is working fine has a little more power from bottom to top end..
my question is what is going on inside this little box? how does it work?
what are the little lights on the programmer tell you?
when i am at idle it has 1 GREEN light...you apply gas and revs go up i get 2 GREEN lights.....as revs increase the lights change to RED and i get 3 or more of these RED lights.what is this telling me? thanks MUDD
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Old July 20th, 2008, 05:59 PM
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Re: how does a fuel controller work?

they modify the pulse width to the injectors for more or less fuel than stock......
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Old July 20th, 2008, 07:27 PM
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Re: how does a fuel controller work?

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they modify the pulse width to the injectors for more or less fuel than stock......
what are the red and green lights for?
should they stay green or is changing to red ok?
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Old July 20th, 2008, 07:56 PM
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Re: how does a fuel controller work?

what do the instructions say, red is normally not a good sign.
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Old November 13th, 2008, 09:03 PM
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Re: how does a fuel controller work?

Can someone post the instructions on these boxes, I would like to know also what they mean.
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Old November 13th, 2008, 10:51 PM
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Re: how does a fuel controller work?

their are so many out their and most have some fore of indicators i have the dyno jet one it has a row of led's they represent the tps opening and wile adjusting the amoutn of fuel added or subtracted i also can down load new maps with a computer and change them also you can modify the map with the computer program in alot mor smaller increments... as to the lights on yours read the manul if you dont have it id goto the manuf web site and see if the have it online they probaly are telling you when they add or subtract fule but thats my guess....
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Re: how does a fuel controller work?

Ok so what does the reprogramed ECU do with or with out a fuel controller? Sorry for the tread hyjack. Let me know I'll move it if you want Mudwiser
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Old November 14th, 2008, 07:55 AM
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Re: how does a fuel controller work?

Injectors don't simply turn on and shoot a bunch of gas into the cylinder. They are a simple on/off valve that is controlled (varied, modulated) by pulsing the control voltage. This is Pulse Width Modulation. The longer the ON portions of the pulses, the more fuel spits out. The factory ECU computer takes the input from the Throttle Position Sensor and responds by pulsing the injectors in response to a pre-programmed "fuel map". An EFI piggyback controller modifies that map to give you much more control over the entire power range than you could ever achieve with jet changes in a carburetor.

An aftermarket EFI controller is inserted inline to the Throttle Position Sensor and injector cables. It uses the TPS signal so it "knows" what you want--more or less power. It then intercepts the factory ECU output signal to the injectors and substitutes its own, modified, signal. YOU program the modifications to the factory ECU injector commands via pushbuttons on the black box or by pc via USB port.

Piggyback EFI controllers only affect fuel delivery. They don't change ignition timing. For that you need a reprogrammed ECU or an add-on CDI box.
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Injectors don't simply turn on and shoot a bunch of gas into the cylinder. They are a simple on/off valve that is controlled (varied, modulated) by pulsing the control voltage. This is Pulse Width Modulation. The longer the ON portions of the pulses, the more fuel spits out. The factory ECU computer takes the input from the Throttle Position Sensor and responds by pulsing the injectors in response to a pre-programmed "fuel map". An EFI piggyback controller modifies that map to give you much more control over the entire power range than you could ever achieve with jet changes in a carburetor.

An aftermarket EFI controller is inserted inline to the Throttle Position Sensor and injector cables. It uses the TPS signal so it "knows" what you want--more or less power. It then intercepts the factory ECU output signal to the injectors and substitutes its own, modified, signal. YOU program the modifications to the factory ECU injector commands via pushbuttons on the black box or by pc via USB port.

Piggyback EFI controllers only affect fuel delivery. They don't change ignition timing. For that you need a reprogrammed ECU or an add-on CDI box.
Great explanation. The first one out of many I've read that I understand. THANKS!
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Re: how does a fuel controller work?

X2 thanks fopr clearing it up in my mind. Now another question. How do you know What spots up want to add and take fuel away with the fuel control? Is it seat of the pants or do you get a base line to start with? I would think you have to still read plugs and wash right?
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Re: how does a fuel controller work?

See if I get this. There are baselines for stock. To be spot on I think you need the control module to show you what your air/fuel ratio is at different engine speeds. (RPM) Or you can cheat and go to a programmers web site and see if they have maps matching your mods for optimum performance.
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Old November 14th, 2008, 07:16 PM
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Re: how does a fuel controller work?

Creating a custom fuel map with a programmable controller. From worst to best (just my opinion and not really even based on personal experience):

Seat of the pants.
Plug reads.
What your buddy is using.
Download a map from someone with similar setup (UTV offroad created a custom map for each system they tested in their exhaust shootout & they promised to make these available for download--great if you have an otherwise stock Rzr and a Power Commander controller)

Best method is to spend some money at a reputable dyno shop that knows how to tune a UTV for YOUR needs. Too many dyno techs know only to tune for peak HP and that isn't necessarily what you are after in a trail machine.
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Old November 14th, 2008, 08:02 PM
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Re: how does a fuel controller work?

Something else u can change is fuel pressure or injector size. It will also increase fuel consumpsion.
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Re: how does a fuel controller work?

Guy48065's was a good explanation of the way they work.
I would add to the best method option:
spending the money and buying a wideband AFR gauge (air/fuel ratio) and tuning the vehicle yourself in real world situations.
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Old November 15th, 2008, 09:43 AM
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Guy48065's was a good explanation of the way they work.
I would add to the best method option:
spending the money and buying a wideband AFR gauge (air/fuel ratio) and tuning the vehicle yourself in real world situations.
I agree (forgot to add).
Anyone know if a hand-held version with a tailpipe "sniffer" is reliable and accurate?
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