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Old June 9th, 2010, 12:43 PM
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SxS versus Woodsbuggy

Since the RZR S came on the market I have been considering getting one. Now the Commander 1000x is avaliable and I am even more entised to get a SxS. Here is the problem I have a 2.5 Subaru powered Turbo charged Woodsbuggy that in my opinon out performs the SxS by a lot and I am leary to spend 15K to find out I will not be happy with a less that 100 HP offroad machine. I am 55 years old and I am really tired of working on the Buggy. So the questions are:
1) Have any of you transitioned from a VW style Woods Buggy to SxS.
2) Are you SxS guys that happy with yours.
3) How much work do you do on them minus supermods.
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Old June 9th, 2010, 01:03 PM
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Re: SxS versus Woodsbuggy

Ive had a few VW powered rails and loved them,worked on them alot hehe.Side x side will be very slow compared to what you have now and not ride as well.Buddy has a chain drive chevy powered rail with 42 inch rears and long travel,rode like you where on air.You could run over downed trees easy has ,14K in it and its bad ass.
These side x sides are WAY the hell over priced for what you get but I have a rzr and really like it and dont have to work on it yet.Only reason I have one is so I can ride with all my buddies and there quads and side x sides in the woods.My rails where to big to go with them.

Just a little 1776 VW powered rail would leave a side x side behind let alone what you have now.
But the RZR will climb like a little goat,keep you dry and mud free unlike a rail hehe.They are very fun to play with just not the same as a rail.
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Re: SxS versus Woodsbuggy

Our old 1835 woods buggy would kill my RZR. If I had somewhere with wide enough trails I would still have a buggy.
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Old June 9th, 2010, 01:18 PM
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Re: SxS versus Woodsbuggy

That was my train of thought too. However constantly working on the Buggy has really gotton old and I have spends Thousands of dollars for the top of the line parts. Just over the winter I converted over to coil overs in the rear. Now I just dumped 3 grand into building a new close ratio trans with a Torque Biasing Peloquin differential. Well you get the picture. Here is a pic of the Buggy when I first built it with a VW 2332 motor 2 years ago:

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Re: SxS versus Woodsbuggy

I love buggys
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Re: SxS versus Woodsbuggy

Quote: Originally Posted by CSG View Post
Our old 1835 woods buggy would kill my RZR. If I had somewhere with wide enough trails I would still have a buggy.
I ride at Wellsville Ohio so not having wide enough trails is not a problem. Climbing some of the Hills there with a SxS may be bit of a streach.
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Re: SxS versus Woodsbuggy

I have both. My rail is a VW 2276. If you are looking for a RZR to replace the rail for the exact same type of riding you will be very disappointed. They are completely different vehicals for different purposes. Both are extremely fun and yes, I work on the rail alot more then the RZR. I have both because I enjoy both types of driving. But they are not interchangable.
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Re: SxS versus Woodsbuggy

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I have both. My rail is a VW 2276. If you are looking for a RZR to replace the rail for the exact same type of riding you will be very disappointed. They are completely different vehicals for different purposes. Both are extremely fun and yes, I work on the rail alot more then the RZR. I have both because I enjoy both types of driving. But they are not interchangable.
Please explain "both types of driving" I do mostly tight Woods driving in the Buggy. Would not the SxS be the same?
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Re: SxS versus Woodsbuggy

For me the rail is a high speed, low drag vehical. It is for high speed and fast excelleration. The RZR can not come close in either catagory. I take both to the dunes at the same time. When RZRs are driving with rails, its very boring for the rails because they going so slow for the RZRs to keep up.
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Re: SxS versus Woodsbuggy

I agree! It just depends on what you want to do. We just returned from Moab and rode on some of the most challenging trails known to man and there is no possible way you could do that in a 2wd buggy! As for going fast, that again depends on what you're doing. These things will do 55-60 mph all day and night pretty much anywhere trail or sand. Plenty fast enough to kill yourself But if you want to go 100+mph in the dunes then a SXS is not for you. The greatest thing about these things IMO is they are turn key! Get in hit the key and off ya go. As far as working on it, well you know that anything you take out and beat the hell out of will need some maintenance. For the most part these things are built well and are very reliable. Plus you have the warranty for anything major. Just my 3 cents
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Re: SxS versus Woodsbuggy

In the desert I can see there is no comparision. How about Trail riding? I still have my 700 Rotax powered Honda Pilot for the high speed stuff.
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Re: SxS versus Woodsbuggy

We've got two 1960's-ish VW woods buggies my Dad built back in the day - We use to run them all the time in the woods/old reclaimed strip mines/ logging roads you get the picture... They were fun as hell, but one has Carb issues and the other has a blown engine - idk what your situation is, but it got to be such a pain in the ass always trying to find old VW parts, they got parked for longer and longer pds of time until we just quit running them.

I bought the rzr to ride with my friends who all have quads, and I can honestly say the rzr is much easier to maneuver in the narrow, tight wooded stuff than the buggy was. I use to take one of the buggies out and try to keep up with the quads winding in and out of the trees on quad trails, but it was more work than it was fun. I wasn't a fan of constantly clutching and shifting in those situations, Not to mention, you always have to pay attention running in the woods like that, its way too easy to have a tree branch kick that belt off and before you know it your battery is 100% dead. No real problems like that with the rzr and its much easier to keep up with friends. I do miss the buggies, but for the kind of trails we ride I'm pretty happy with the razor as an alternative... its got a little speed for the open stuff and enough maneuverability for the heavy wooded stuff. If a lot of the places we use to ride the buggies hadn't been turned into State Game Lands, probably would have gone through more effort to keep them running. There were a lot of more open areas back in the day where the overall size of the buggies wasn’t an issue. Best thing I can offer up would be if your riding more on the lines of old, open logging roads and trials where your always maintaining a pretty good pace, keep with the buggy. Its too much fun to give up - but on the other hand, if your gonna see a little bit of everything, and know your gonna be in the heavy wooded stuff, the rzr is a solid choice... gotta recommend the S though, the ride quality is much better than the reg rzr. If I ever do it over I'd buy the S in a heartbeat. As someone said before though, its definitely not the same, but I think the tradeoff was worth it – in my situation anyway... good luck
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Re: SxS versus Woodsbuggy

My situation is simple. I have dumped 20K plus into building my 2.5 Subaru turbo Buggy in the last 2 years buying all the best parts and making the ones I can not buy. The problem is I have to work on it way to much after every outing. I ride, I break. Don't get me wrong I do understand that a 2500# buggy with 250 HP is going to break just from shere HP to weight ratio. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy the Buggy and it is top of the line, however I am 55 years old afterall and would like to just ride on my weekends and not have to spend do much time wrenching. I am willing to give up some of my Buggys obvious advantages for more seat time. There is just something to be said for factory engineering. The companys that make the SxSs have already spent countless hours and dollars to give the public a working and proven Buggy. I am really looking for turn key. How many of you guys have had your SxS for more than 2 years and how are they still holding up.
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Re: SxS versus Woodsbuggy

After reading your comments I believe you want A side by side.I have never owned A Woodsbuggy.It sounds like your very up on maintenance and are mechanically inclined,and know how to take care of the machine to make it last.My buddy has A 09 RZRs that he keeps stock and maintains it 100%.The rest of us are constantly screwing around with our machines.When one of ours breaks we always comment on his machine.I used to call my Honda Foreman old reliable except no body rides that anymore I think I will start calling his RZR old reliable.
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Re: SxS versus Woodsbuggy

the rzr is fun,trail riding and some smaller woods hills.its good on the smaller technical hills and will fit alot of places your buggy wont.........if youre into climbing real hills,,the rzr is not gonna be good for that.....from what i see riding since feb.,,if you really beat on the rzr,its gonna break some parts for sure.if you ride it sensibly,it wont break much at all...some will tell you the rzrs will climb hills great,if they had ever seen real buggy hills,they wouldnt think so..............front end sprague carrier,cv joints,hubs,a arm bushings--these are the parts youre gonna go thru riding it hard.price these and youll see what itll cost you to run one.but the labor on the rzrs is super easy.its like working on tinker toys!..............
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