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Re: air cleaner problem
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Old June 5th, 2008, 09:40 PM
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Re: air cleaner problem

I have a Gen 1 – I have spent a lot of time and money trying to fix the Polaris air box design. I had very fine dust in the throttle body using 3 different types of filters, I have always used a tighten down clamp, I have done to many things to list=, no help. I think I might have it fixed finally using a version of the Grumpy mod. I have the extended warranty and have had a compression test and a leak down test. Both test or within tolerance the dealer said.

I now appear to be using oil and the dealer said that since both tests passed he can not do more. He said if he pulls the head to check guides and finds nothing wrong its my bill.

1,000 miles and using oil – that’s not whining I will be sending you my info.
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Old June 5th, 2008, 10:24 PM
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1st of all,I'm not a lawyer looking for ammo.I'm a customer who bought something that is having a problem that dealers wont fix or my warranty is saying they won't cover.You don't buy something new and then have to come home and fix it so you can drive/ride it.Yes it is my only post because i never heard of Rzr forum until someone told me about it.I posted my problem out so if someone else had the same problem I could get there info and turn it into my lawyer.If this is the wrong area, so be it.It's where I posted it and I'm getting plenty of reply's on here and by phone so apparently it worked here.Sorry i'm not as educated as you to where I should put it.MY BAD !!!!! And your right,I dont know much about the RZR but I do know where my problem is.I've raced professional motorcross for 32 years and I know that dirt/dust should not be a problem on any of these.There built for off road.As for the dealers/polaris warranty,yes they did say they would not fix it and the warranty also said the same thing and are even sending it to me in writing.This is on here for the people who want to fight back against a company thats screwing alot of people.Maybe your not one of them but there sure are alot of others in the same boat as me.I'm willing to stand up and fight these guys all the way.Your smartass remarks are your opinion and thats fine.It doesnt bother me and it won't stop me either.Sounds like your the one that needs to be educated.How do we know you don't work for polaris! or you aren't a dealer for them! Oh well,who knows and who really cares.NOT ME!!!!!!!So say what you want about me.You and anyone else,but it still won't stop me from going after them.
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Old June 6th, 2008, 08:22 AM
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Re: air cleaner problem

I feel for you guys. But these are toys (expensive toys) but toys. I have been reading these posts for months a lot of time has been spent complaining about a problem that can be fixed for 150.00. Yes Polaris should fix this problem and probably will. But a lot of time and money can be spent on attorneys and legal fees to end up in the same spot.
I can tell you from personal experience that attorneys will tell you one thing but when it comes down to it you end up with a big fat legal bill and little or no settlement. I don’t know about you guys but my time in more valuable that that. One more thing it has occurred to me that when you buy a new dirt bike or ATV you get very little or no warranty at all so why would a UTV be any different. Just my .02 and keep the rubber side down.
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Old June 6th, 2008, 08:45 AM
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Re: air cleaner problem

here are some videos on the airbox issues

YouTube - RZR air filter

YouTube - RZR air filter

YouTube - RZR filter Problems
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Old June 6th, 2008, 09:35 AM
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I don't mind modifying stock stuff to improve a machine but when you can't drive it at all untill you do???My damage was done and documented burning oil and dirt all the way to the throttle bottle with stock airbox.Dealer told me he would send a question to Polaris and see what they want to do.I put aftermarket snorkel on and went for another ride and motor seized in 7 hours,62 miles.Total 57 hours,562 miles on machine.also machine came from factory with no oil rings in one cyl.Dealer installed new piston and rings in one cyl at 30 hours(I should of been given a new motor then.No they say that its not covered under warrantee because it was hydrolcked.They came to this conclusion because the rod was bent and said if it seized because of lack of oil the piston would be welded to cyl.The fact that it started clacking away on the top end and that I was no where near water climbing a hill before it stalled with witnesses doesn't matter.I never even slept last night because of this crap.I have a beautifull set of Afco shocks sitting in my kitchen reminding me that I should be out having fun right now. Will someone wipe my tears for me.I hope this doesn't happen to too many more people,it really sucks(dirt)lol
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Old June 8th, 2008, 11:08 PM
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WOW,I just got time to have a look at the box of parts I got back from the dealer that used to be a motor.They had told me the warrantee was denied because the tech guy had said for the rod to bend it had to of been buried in water and HYDRLOCKED.The crank jounal is black from heat(oil starved),part of the rod bearing is welded to the rod and in the middle of the rod it has actually changed colors as if someone had taken a torch to it.The sides of the piston skirt is all scored up also.I'm no engine expert but if it were HYDROLOCKED in my book wouldn't everything still look pretty new inside(besides a bent rod)?I think this dealership has royally screwed me and I don't know why.This is the 1st Polaris product I have ever bought.Out of about 30 new Streetbikes,sleds,quads etc I have purchased and never had warrantee issues???
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Old June 9th, 2008, 06:29 AM
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WOW,I just got time to have a look at the box of parts I got back from the dealer that used to be a motor.They had told me the warrantee was denied because the tech guy had said for the rod to bend it had to of been buried in water and HYDRLOCKED.The crank jounal is black from heat(oil starved),part of the rod bearing is welded to the rod and in the middle of the rod it has actually changed colors as if someone had taken a torch to it.The sides of the piston skirt is all scored up also.I'm no engine expert but if it were HYDROLOCKED in my book wouldn't everything still look pretty new inside(besides a bent rod)?I think this dealership has royally screwed me and I don't know why.This is the 1st Polaris product I have ever bought.Out of about 30 new Streetbikes,sleds,quads etc I have purchased and never had warrantee issues???
dgal I would go to another dealer and continue to state the issue to them...it seems the Dealer is the problem most of the time...sorry to hear about your troubles...that is really sad...it brings me back to my original statement when someone ask me about the longevity of a RZR...I told them " I knew it was a Polaris when I bought it"...I don't have much faith in Polaris either changed my air filtration at 200 miles and never looked back...
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Old June 9th, 2008, 06:47 AM
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Hey dgal...this will probably be just as painful...but thought it might help...if you do the install of the 75hp engine, then go up to the Dealer that refused you service and leave two black strips of smack across his parking lot and drive....actually across the cheeks of his
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Old June 9th, 2008, 08:10 AM
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I don't know if I can go to another dealer now that it has been refused?I'm going back today to get a writen statement from dealer for the reason it got refused.I want to see it in writing that they think its because of HYDROLOCKED and not the on going oil consumption problem I've been having.I emailed about the Wasteland performance motors and they should be shipping in about a month.If I have to wait that long I might go that route.The 100hp turbo route seems like a killer deal.Especially if you had a stock motor blow up.Too bad I bought exhaust,fuel controller ,intake and clutch mods because it alll comes with it.
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Old June 9th, 2008, 09:23 AM
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My RZR has lost over 25lbs of compression in 31 hrs. from dirt passing the filter. I have tried stock ,two differant versions of the UNI ,and a K&N. None stopped the dust. I raced Motocross for over 15 years and Never, never had this problem..My dealer told me until my compression dropped below 150 lbs per cyclinder I was on my own, (Started out new at 192lbs.) but if I modify the stock intake track and or cut holes in the bed to change incoming air location it may void my warranty...

What do you do..? Fix on your own now that you know you've lost power , or keep beating on it until compression drops below limit in service manual and monkey with the dealer...
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Old June 9th, 2008, 09:27 AM
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I don't know if I can go to another dealer now that it has been refused?I'm going back today to get a writen statement from dealer for the reason it got refused.I want to see it in writing that they think its because of HYDROLOCKED and not the on going oil consumption problem I've been having.I emailed about the Wasteland performance motors and they should be shipping in about a month.If I have to wait that long I might go that route.The 100hp turbo route seems like a killer deal.Especially if you had a stock motor blow up.Too bad I bought exhaust,fuel controller ,intake and clutch mods because it alll comes with it.
Cool dgal I agree that Dealer is Chicken&%$t it is no skin off of his back to cover your engine and does he actually think you like blowiing motors up so you cut down your riding time and spend all of this time talking to blithering id&^ts that are too chickencrap to cover a bad engine...to me it is all about the Dealers they can cover anything they want...he should cover you out of good faith and install you a new engine then if it fails he return to his Chickencrap ways...hope you get the 100hp...but remember the tranny and rearend is still a Polaris...
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Old June 9th, 2008, 09:40 AM
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My RZR has lost over 25lbs of compression in 31 hrs. from dirt passing the filter. I have tried stock ,two differant versions of the UNI ,and a K&N. None stopped the dust. I raced Motocross for over 15 years and Never, never had this problem..My dealer told me until my compression dropped below 150 lbs per cyclinder I was on my own, (Started out new at 192lbs.) but if I modify the stock intake track and or cut holes in the bed to change incoming air location it may void my warranty...

What do you do..? Fix on your own now that you know you've lost power , or keep beating on it until compression drops below limit in service manual and monkey with the dealer...
Your not only going to loose compression.It will start burning oil soon.Take it out and put a brick on the gas pedal in park and walk away for a few hours.First get your dealer to do a oil change so they can't blame you about checking oil or something.Then you get a new motor and do your own intake.I should of never took mine back from the dealer.It was visually burning oil and had dirt all the way to the throttle body.7 hours later seized with no oil showing on dipstick on the side of a mountain and they call it hydrolocked.Call me a lyer when I have witnesses with me."YOU WERE BURIED IN WATER SOMEWHERE WHEN IT SEIZED".
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Old June 9th, 2008, 01:03 PM
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When you do everything that the manufacture recommends and the product still breaks down, I am sorry there is a problem. The intake system on the Rzr is poorly engineered. I have 80 hours on my Rzr and it has a blown top end. The top end broke because dirt and sand got pass the intake system. Polaris will not fix it, the dealer will not fix it, and my extended warrenty service will not fix it. I will have to fix it for about $2500 to $3000, and take them all to small claims court. There is a major problem with the intake system and it is not the consumers rersponsiblity to take the fall. I really enjoy the Rzr. But I can not afford a $3000.00 repair bill every year. Some of you out there are very mechanical and can fix anything but there are plenty of us who are not. When you are like me and you tried everything to solve the problem then I guess the attorney is the only option you have. To everyone out there, if you have not modified the intake system of your Rzr, I believe that you too will have an engine problem because of the faulty intake system that was designed by Polaris. I am not crying but I am very disappointed in Polaris and how they treat their customers.
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Old June 9th, 2008, 03:38 PM
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razordog, I have lowered my air box approx. one inch, replaced the clamp and put 3M rubber tape around the outside of the throttle body then reconnected the intake hose so now we will see. Also if you look at the vac hose that runs from the valve cover to the air box you will find a white mark on the line that is cut witha razor blade. We checked three other rzr's and they all had the line cut in the line. I called my dealer and talked to the mechanic and he said it is cut at the factory for pressure in the block. It my work but it is as cheap as it comes. I will keep you posted on the outcome of lowering the air box.
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Old June 9th, 2008, 03:50 PM
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razordog, I have lowered my air box approx. one inch, replaced the clamp and put 3M rubber tape around the outside of the throttle body then reconnected the intake hose so now we will see. Also if you look at the vac hose that runs from the valve cover to the air box you will find a white mark on the line that is cut witha razor blade. We checked three other rzr's and they all had the line cut in the line. I called my dealer and talked to the mechanic and he said it is cut at the factory for pressure in the block. It my work but it is as cheap as it comes. I will keep you posted on the outcome of lowering the air box.
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