Final Cost of MCX Turbo vs Weber 130 Kit

35bansheerider · #16 July 3rd, 2009, 12:24 AM

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affliction · #17 July 3rd, 2009, 12:49 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by johnnycat8

from a few that have done this i think they said it is about 1200 more give or take.... big mike posted a cost in one of the post a few days ago if you can find it.....it depends on what you keep and sell...and would cost less if you did the work....

only 1200 more for the weber?

**MNPower** · #18 July 3rd, 2009, 05:54 AM

Hey Guys

The cost of your weber kit, is really dependent on what you sell all your old parts for. When we do a brand new RZR S, we have been getting on average, $3000 for all the parts we sell that are taken off. If you subtract that from the kit cost, you are very compareable to a GOOD turbo when looking at the 100hp. The 130hp is of course going to cost a little more, but I dont think anyone else is advertising a durable 130hp package. These packages all have the same oem durability, so if you are a tuner, you can always start playing with it, bring out a few more ponies. The snowmobile pulls about 140hp out of the package, and the last watercraft polaris used it in, was around 150. You can read between the lines and draw your own conclusions. Also the 100hp is upgradeable to the 130hp.

Chad

**JOKER** · #19 July 3rd, 2009, 06:11 AM

Mike, that is bad a$$. U need a wheelie bar, SHOW OFF!

**troybilt** · #20 July 3rd, 2009, 06:13 AM

Hypothetically speaking, ....so if a guy doesn't sell his old stuff. Would he be looking at about $7,000 for the 100 hp and about $8,200 for the 130hp then...? Doing in the install himself, or Wasteland?

I'm not sure what the market is for my old stuff, not too many people looking for grenades these days...

**GIFF-TURBO RZR** · #21 July 3rd, 2009, 08:15 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by johnnycat8

gary how hard was it to get your primary off? or did you use the puller

Quote: Originally Posted by GIFF-TURBO RZR

Quote: Originally Posted by johnnycat8

gary how hard was it to get your primary off? or did you use the puller

Quote: Originally Posted by johnnycat8

i got it off...lol some of the bushings are worn need replaced.....

Gezzzz.......I told you my connection was bad.....lol
My post fell off last night, it must be a Polaris connection out here

Glad you got it off tho.....mine comes off with the puller no prob. but mikes is stuck bad.........that thing would not budge

**bigmike58** · #22 July 3rd, 2009, 08:19 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by troybilt

Hypothetically speaking, ....so if a guy doesn't sell his old stuff. Would he be looking at about $7,000 for the 100 hp and about $8,200 for the 130hp then...? Doing in the install himself, or Wasteland?

I'm not sure what the market is for my old stuff, not too many people looking for grenades these days...

guy's that already grenaded one are looking at spending 4-5 at the dealer for a motor..so 2.5k is a good deal.. I think the 130hp kit is 10k, but you get a lot of extra stuff for the money...here is a partial list of things you would need to add to the turbo cost to make it an "apples to apples" comparison..

1. oil cooler
2. 850 watt alternator
3. closed loop efi system
4. engine warranty

also. you are getting a 4valve overhead cam motor that is factory 130hp. which i have read that you can bring to 180hp..i will try this soon.

The MCX kit is a great package and performs very well, I have been riding with two mcx kits for the last 3 day's. The choice is yours, Trey has 2500 miles on his MCX...I have over 1500 on the wasteland weber.. I went with the weber on both our rzr-s due to the engine failures we had with our first rzr. It had the airbox issues and just a litte dirt would take out the engine,,,my weber has sucked 20 times more dirt thru it and it's still screaming!!

**MNPower** · #23 July 3rd, 2009, 08:22 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by troybilt

Hypothetically speaking, ....so if a guy doesn't sell his old stuff. Would he be looking at about $7,000 for the 100 hp and about $8,200 for the 130hp then...? Doing in the install himself, or Wasteland?

I'm not sure what the market is for my old stuff, not too many people looking for grenades these days...

No, more like $8795, and $10,999. We are trying to get installers around the country, if you dont have one in your area, we will find someone.

Remember, you are getting much more than the engine, 850watt alternator, closed loop system, dry sump, larger oil capacity, oil cooler, etc. Not to mention, an engine that was intended to produce this kinda power. We are trying to see if we can somehow include the UMP filter system with it also.

**bigmike58** · #24 July 3rd, 2009, 08:34 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MNPower

Quote: Originally Posted by troybilt

Hypothetically speaking, ....so if a guy doesn't sell his old stuff. Would he be looking at about $7,000 for the 100 hp and about $8,200 for the 130hp then...? Doing in the install himself, or Wasteland?

I'm not sure what the market is for my old stuff, not too many people looking for grenades these days...

No, more like $8795, and $10,999. We are trying to get installers around the country, if you dont have one in your area, we will find someone.

Remember, you are getting much more than the engine, 850watt alternator, closed loop system, dry sump, larger oil capacity, oil cooler, etc. Not to mention, an engine that was intended to produce this kinda power. We are trying to see if we can somehow include the UMP filter system with it also.

A UMP? you effer, I just spent 600.00 on two of em.. I'll take some spare parts in exchange....wait, that won't do me any good. The webers don't grenade.....how bout some oil filters and a couple of drive belts????

PJ's Performance · #25 July 3rd, 2009, 09:17 AM

you need a puller to get the clutch off easily.....about 45 seconds. let me know if you want one i have them.

**troybilt** · #26 July 3rd, 2009, 10:34 AM

Quote: Originally Posted by MNPower

Quote: Originally Posted by troybilt

Hypothetically speaking, ....so if a guy doesn't sell his old stuff. Would he be looking at about $7,000 for the 100 hp and about $8,200 for the 130hp then...? Doing in the install himself, or Wasteland?

I'm not sure what the market is for my old stuff, not too many people looking for grenades these days...

No, more like $8795, and $10,999. We are trying to get installers around the country, if you dont have one in your area, we will find someone.

Remember, you are getting much more than the engine, 850watt alternator, closed loop system, dry sump, larger oil capacity, oil cooler, etc. Not to mention, an engine that was intended to produce this kinda power. We are trying to see if we can somehow include the UMP filter system with it also.

MNPower, not to change the subject, but I noticed you have a weber powered '09 Ranger Xp w/100 hp. How well does that run, with the extra weight of the XP? I've got a Ranger also, and I was just curious. I see jagged X builds long travel for the '09 XP, it just got me to thinking was all.

Back to RZR's: So we are talking $8750 Weber 100hp, $11k for 130 Hp and $5k+ for turbo set up at 80 hp. If the RZR is ~45hp, then that equates to $160/hp, $130/hp, and finally $142/hp gain. With that analysis looks like the 130 weber is the best bang for the buck and the MCX is second.

I also checked you can buy a short block kit, 850 polaris motor for $2157.00 brand new @ 70 hp. That's not everything and not a fair comparison, just FYI. I heard a lot of posters asking for the 850 in 2010, but I haven't heard of anybody trying a conversion.

**milosusa** · #27 July 3rd, 2009, 12:21 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by troybilt

Quote: Originally Posted by MNPower

Quote: Originally Posted by troybilt

Hypothetically speaking, ....so if a guy doesn't sell his old stuff. Would he be looking at about $7,000 for the 100 hp and about $8,200 for the 130hp then...? Doing in the install himself, or Wasteland?

I'm not sure what the market is for my old stuff, not too many people looking for grenades these days...

No, more like $8795, and $10,999. We are trying to get installers around the country, if you dont have one in your area, we will find someone.

Remember, you are getting much more than the engine, 850watt alternator, closed loop system, dry sump, larger oil capacity, oil cooler, etc. Not to mention, an engine that was intended to produce this kinda power. We are trying to see if we can somehow include the UMP filter system with it also.

MNPower, not to change the subject, but I noticed you have a weber powered '09 Ranger Xp w/100 hp. How well does that run, with the extra weight of the XP? I've got a Ranger also, and I was just curious. I see jagged X builds long travel for the '09 XP, it just got me to thinking was all.

Back to RZR's: So we are talking $8750 Weber 100hp, $11k for 130 Hp and $5k+ for turbo set up at 80 hp. If the RZR is ~45hp, then that equates to $160/hp, $130/hp, and finally $142/hp gain. With that analysis looks like the 130 weber is the best bang for the buck and the MCX is second.

I also checked you can buy a short block kit, 850 polaris motor for $2157.00 brand new @ 70 hp. That's not everything and not a fair comparison, just FYI. I heard a lot of posters asking for the 850 in 2010, but I haven't heard of anybody trying a conversion.

I think you are confusing engine HP with RWHP in MCX turbo price/HP calculation. Plus where you take $5K + price for MCX ? I think MCX turbo price for engine HP is around $100/hp in very conservative calculation. IMHO
milos

affliction · #28 July 3rd, 2009, 12:24 PM

yea id have to say I agree. I mean the other thing I don't understand is the 11k price. It seems extremely high for a motor of its stature. I mean is it not possible to get the 130kit for roughly 10k installed? And when you say sell all the stuff of an S for 3 grand, what are all the parts you are referring to.

**bigmike58** · #29 July 3rd, 2009, 01:38 PM

Quote: Originally Posted by troybilt

Quote: Originally Posted by MNPower

Quote: Originally Posted by troybilt

Hypothetically speaking, ....so if a guy doesn't sell his old stuff. Would he be looking at about $7,000 for the 100 hp and about $8,200 for the 130hp then...? Doing in the install himself, or Wasteland?

I'm not sure what the market is for my old stuff, not too many people looking for grenades these days...

No, more like $8795, and $10,999. We are trying to get installers around the country, if you dont have one in your area, we will find someone.

Remember, you are getting much more than the engine, 850watt alternator, closed loop system, dry sump, larger oil capacity, oil cooler, etc. Not to mention, an engine that was intended to produce this kinda power. We are trying to see if we can somehow include the UMP filter system with it also.

MNPower, not to change the subject, but I noticed you have a weber powered '09 Ranger Xp w/100 hp. How well does that run, with the extra weight of the XP? I've got a Ranger also, and I was just curious. I see jagged X builds long travel for the '09 XP, it just got me to thinking was all.

Back to RZR's: So we are talking $8750 Weber 100hp, $11k for 130 Hp and $5k+ for turbo set up at 80 hp. If the RZR is ~45hp, then that equates to $160/hp, $130/hp, and finally $142/hp gain. With that analysis looks like the 130 weber is the best bang for the buck and the MCX is second.

I also checked you can buy a short block kit, 850 polaris motor for $2157.00 brand new @ 70 hp. That's not everything and not a fair comparison, just FYI. I heard a lot of posters asking for the 850 in 2010, but I haven't heard of anybody trying a conversion.

The MCX should be closer to 105 crank hp..the weber is 130 crank...The thing to remember is the weber has the ability to make even more power without having to buy a 2500 crank and who knows what else just to make it live. The issue here is HP and reliability, to make 130hp with the polaris motor it will cost you far more than the weber. The Wasteland weber price of 11k includes a motor w/turbo, wiring harness, ecu, oil cooler and lines, engine mounts, radiator, intercooler, closed loop efi, dry sump system, 850 alternator, high psi fuel pump, and I'm sure there is more.. That's why it is hard to do a comparison... If you want to do a weber swap you can sell your motor, tb, intake system and ecu..The weber swap is not intended to compete with a turbo system price....it does come close, about 1000.00 more for the weber, after you add those same options to the mcx...now the aerocharger is a wash because their kit is 5500.00 not 4500.00 like the MCX..and we are talking list prices...

**jaywebguy** · #30 July 3rd, 2009, 02:10 PM

You guys back to camp? How did the pics turn out from out jump? Also, when I got home I adjusted my shocks 4 more turns in the back and 3 in the front, hopefully, I wont be bottoming out so bad tomorrow.

Jason

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