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Old November 2nd, 2007, 09:36 PM
jonathan wigley jonathan wigley is offline
 
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Cool recall engine oil consumption

i was told there is about to be a recall on the 800cc because of engine oil consumption, last week my rzr started falling on its face about mid stride and start popping checked the oil 1 quart low,bad, filled it up and runs fine anyone checked there oil lately?
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 03:09 AM
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Re: recall engine oil consumption

The intake issues are well documented; yet if there is any all out 'recall' out there related to this or any motor issues; I am not aware of it and would be very surprised if there ever was one.
The initial Rhinos (unbelievably) had basically these same problems and all we ever got out of it was an updated intake.
Sorry about your problems.
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 05:47 AM
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Re: recall engine oil consumption

Check your airbox and see if you have excessive dust inside. Make sure your filter is on secure. Its probably to late anyway. Dust is making it into the air intake and destroying the rings causing the motor to burn oil.

I am not saying this is your problem, but it has been well documented on other websites. Need to check out prcforums.com.

Polaris is replacing engines for this and is also extending warranties an extra six months in some cases.
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 10:05 PM
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Re: recall engine oil consumption

ive got a k&n filter clamped on tight, im going to do a leakdown test on both cylinders ,got a buddy thats a polaris mechanic &he said if i bought the pistons and rings he could put them in "on"polaris if the top end had to be redone, if so im going to order some light weight wiesco pistons and check on some total seal rings ,thats what i run in my drag car. fasterfasterfaster!!!
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Old November 4th, 2007, 02:22 AM
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Re: recall engine oil consumption

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ive got a k&n filter clamped on tight, im going to do a leakdown test on both cylinders ,got a buddy thats a polaris mechanic &he said if i bought the pistons and rings he could put them in "on"polaris if the top end had to be redone, if so im going to order some light weight wiesco pistons and check on some total seal rings ,thats what i run in my drag car. fasterfasterfaster!!!
Could you please give us some numbers on that leakdown test when you're done; as many of us are strung out here with absolutely no answers in regards to what is 'acceptable' at this point in these motor's lives (and not)...according to Polaris. A lot of us went through this exact same fiasco when the Rhino was introduced (which, imo, just makes this all even harder to believe 'engineering'-wise) and are simply looking for quantitative numbers so that we can at least assess our damage whether anybody accepts responsibility and fixes this, or not.

Thank you for your help, if you're able to.

John
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Old November 4th, 2007, 07:52 AM
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Re: recall engine oil consumption

in my experince in building racing engines anything over 10% is not good, will be a couple days before i have time to do a leakdown on it , i think the ring material could be the problem, im going to call total seal next week and see if and see if they can fix up some rings for 800's bore size, as soon as i perform the leakdown i will post the numbers for both cylinders, thanks.
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Old November 4th, 2007, 06:10 PM
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Re: recall engine oil consumption

Many thanks for the offer; as this is certainly info that many of us will be keeping track of over the months ahead.

John
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Old November 4th, 2007, 06:35 PM
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Re: recall engine oil consumption

now imagine this, my dad bought a brand new RZR yesterday exactly like mine as far as acessorys , except i have just installed a k&n filter, biggun evo exhaust,biggun efi controler, and a highlifter clutch, over 900$$ worth of crap, i thought would smoke him, wrong, raced three times from dead stop and he immediatly start pulling me and beat me about 3 or 4 car lenghts every time, thats after trail riding 2or3 hrs ,NOW heres the part about oil consumption before we raced as we were riding my motor started clicking like hell so i stopped and the oil was barely touching the stick,so i added a quart, it quit rattling , thats about 1quart of oil every 9hours, i dont think ill even bother with a leakdown ,polaris is gona have to do something.
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Old June 1st, 2008, 08:58 PM
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Re: recall engine oil consumption

yea, well I got 24 hours on my RZR, it burns about 1/2QT every 5 hrs. Aweful! We need class action here if they intend on leaving us with no true fix. What good is a warranty rebuild if its gonna happen over and over? They need to relocate the air intake, put better rings on, add oilers in the block, and provide better filtration. This is crap! I should have knowen better than to go Canadian.
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 12:48 PM
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Re: recall engine oil consumption

Well,wait till you here my story!!!I have a total of 57 hours on machine bought in Nov 07. Did my break in oil change at 10 hours and was a 1/2 litre low at this time(I thought maybe it was this level from new).at 30 hours motor wont rev up so I check the oil and its down 1 liter.I take it in to dealer and after pulling it apart they tell me it does not or has not ever have any oil rings in one cyl..Mechanic tells me they have had 3 other Sportsman 800 quads come in with same thing???So I get the machine back at 30 hours right,go out a couple times and at 50 hours its down 1 liter again.Check the airbox and it has dirt in it.also at this time I'm taking it in for a broken front shock.They replace shock and I get then to do oil change and all driveline fluids.When I pick it up its over filled with oil,seems to have a lot of blow by and is smoking a bit from the pipes.The next day I have a ride to go on with 100 other quads for a day trip and after 7 hours motor stalls and won't turn over.Took me 3 hours to recover and wreaked my day.They better be ordering a new motor for me this time.Also my throttle cable is sticking!!
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 02:04 PM
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Re: recall engine oil consumption

I can't believe this crap is going on. I thaught the same thing when I changed my oil at 15 hrs. But I realize this is a disease that my razor was born with. I have nearly 15k in this baby and I'm not real happy about this. Perhaps the canooks will learn there lession and stop sleeping around with the us car manufactures. JK guys. Were all screwed 5 way from Sunday and we better learn to enjoy it. That's what we get for being the cool kids on the block..
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 02:12 PM
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Re: recall engine oil consumption

If I only had 15k in mine I would burn it.I've spent so much money building the coolest little buggy that I'm at Polaris's mercy to fix it.If they don't warranty a new motor does anyone know where you can buy one complete?I don't have time to rebuild it myself and I'm sure the crank is gone also now.
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Old June 2nd, 2008, 02:13 PM
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Re: recall engine oil consumption

I don't even have 600 kms yet.lol
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 03:52 PM
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Re: recall engine oil consumption

You know its not that 15000 is a ton of cash but the sweat equity i have invested is just to valuable for me to set a flame. Of course if i wanted a quick return on the cash it's not a bad idea. Anyhow I was told that you can get a complete motor for around 4700.00 from the dealer. Now that should not be to hard on a big spender like you? Sorry I'm being a DB, I just could not help myself. I think you probably are correct in going with the assumed crank damage. Lets consider that any debris that entered the motor was immediately washed down the cylinder walls by oil that is now suspending the particles that are circulation through the oil system until the time it reaches the oil filter. My experience is that it only takes 1 grain of sand about 5 seconds to complete a rotation around the journals and bearings. Just a matter of time before they are worn. Total replacement is the only sure method. I'll be doing the same with replacement or without the help of Polaris.
Burn baby burn!!!
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Old June 3rd, 2008, 05:22 PM
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Re: recall engine oil consumption

I should have knowen better than to go Canadian.
polaris rzr is made in MN
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