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Bilsteins ( Race photos added, check it out!) For the XP900

Lets face it, Bilstein has the most proven shocks in off-road history. The MINI MAGNUM has been the go to shock for off-road car and buggy builders for years. These little gems are tough as nails, and the patented valving used in the Bilstein has never been remotely matched by any other manufacturer. Combine it with the Eibach spring which also has a proven track record in off-roading, you end up with a rock solid package.
Why no reservoirs? Well Bilstein was the first to truly separate the gas and oil, combined with the unique valving and Zinc alloy body proves to run cooler than most reservoir style shocks. But if you feel you need them, the MINI MAGNUMS can be special ordered with remotes.
Why no knobs? Being familiar with the active nature of the it can be tuned to work excellent in varying terrain and is compliant enough to work well for everyone from the hardcore enthusiast to the basic trail rider. This is by far the smoothest, most consistent shock I have personally ever used.
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Please PM me details and price. I LOVE Bilstiens. best shock I ever had on a rhino. I switched out all my rail shocks for bilstien 4 way bypasses and they are killer and would never put any other shock on a buggy. if they are dialed for a RZR I want a set.
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Re: Bilstein

I just added a set to my truck and am very very impressed. I would consider them in liu of revalving my FOX
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Please PM me details and price. I LOVE Bilstiens. best shock I ever had on a rhino. I switched out all my rail shocks for bilstien 4 way bypasses and they are killer and would never put any other shock on a buggy. if they are dialed for a RZR I want a set.
Same experience on our race Rhino, They simply rocked, and we were constantly asked how we got our suspension to work so well. Yes they are valved and ready to bolt on. There set for your standard set up. Cage, doors or side panels, bumpers, cooler, and good tool bag. And 350 to 450lb rider weight.
Adjustable ride height for a more stable and aggressive stance. You can flat pound the hoops, jump and run hard with these little wonders. Really brings the suspension around on the XP 2 and eliminates much of the hobby horsing and bucking associated with stock set up, (especially out back).
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Re: Bilstein

Just a little more info. the Stock shocks on the XP made for a very sever angle on the rear axles a full droop (Extension). They marked at 28 1/2 degrees, which is pretty much too much for any CV. I felt this could lead to axle/CV bind leading to failure, especially when the suspension drops out rapidly when jumping etc. The Bilsteins correct for that and bring the axles to a little more respectable 25 1/2 degrees.
Have these packages in stock and ready to ship.
They come sprung and pre-loaded ready to bolt up.
And again they are factory supported, rebuildable and revalvable right here in the U.S..
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Re: Bilsteins For the XP900

And the price is ???????????????
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And the price is ???????????????
Highly competitive, which was one of my other goals. Think our website is updated, you can find pricing and a video review that outlines the reasons I developed the Bilstein package.
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Have packages in stock and ready to ship!!!
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Re: Bilstein

I have a few questions. Why use an Emulsion (non reservoir) shock? Having the reservoir not only adds more fluid, it separates where the dividing piston is for the nitrogen & shock oil. Emulsion shocks are known to heat fade much quicker then a reservoir shock, and eventually allow the oil & nitrogen to mix. Is adding a reservoir an option?

Also in the past Bilstein has only offered external adjustability when using their by-pass tube shock. Do these have any external adjustability?

The bright yellow part of the shocks, is that some sort of bump stop cup or is it acting as a coil guide to keep the coil from rubbing and possibly binding with the end of the shock? Is it made of Urethane?

Eibach springs are good! Do you have optional spring rates for different weight vehicles?

With reducing the CV angle (which is a good thing) I'm assuming you are reducing the rear wheel travel by about 1/2 inch?
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interested to see how this stacks up against the PEP upgrade, seems to be a similar price...
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Quote: Originally Posted by NIKAL View Post
I have a few questions. Why use an Emulsion (non reservoir) shock? Having the reservoir not only adds more fluid, it separates where the dividing piston is for the nitrogen & shock oil. Emulsion shocks are known to heat fade much quicker then a reservoir shock, and eventually allow the oil & nitrogen to mix. Is adding a reservoir an option?

Also in the past Bilstein has only offered external adjustability when using their by-pass tube shock. Do these have any external adjustability?

The bright yellow part of the shocks, is that some sort of bump stop cup or is it acting as a coil guide to keep the coil from rubbing and possibly binding with the end of the shock? Is it made of Urethane?

Eibach springs are good! Do you have optional spring rates for different weight vehicles?

With reducing the CV angle (which is a good thing) I'm assuming you are reducing the rear wheel travel by about 1/2 inch?

Bilsteins keep the gas and oil separated making for a more consistent, cooler running shock that resists fade. Could be wrong but in most cases reservoirs only add nitrogen capacity which can aid longer travel shocks maintain overall pressure. Have run quite a few reservoir style shocks with schrades for checking and filling nitrogen level. of course it will depend on the MFG., but it's been my experience that if you check the level and you have a mix of gas and oil it can indicate internal seal failure. Nitrogen is a very heat stable gas, with larger molecules, that why may racers use it in their tires for more consistent tire pressure at varying track and tire temps. but to answer your question remote resevoirs can be ordered.

As for external adjustments, being familiar with how the unique valving in the Bilstein works I took the attitude, ( like many auto mfg's do). If you know the specifics of the vehicle, weight, bias etc. then there should be no problem tuning a shock for overall performance. Personally thought that the stock set up was completely opposite to what the XP needed. Not everyone is a shock Guru, and I felt that many might be making matters worse trying to make adjustments.
Beyond that I think having a well tuned shock with less mechanical components and failure points adds up to highly durable set up. So no knobs.

The Bilstein is a true 8" travel shock. The requirements for the XP is more along the line of 7" overall. So I designed a external shock body extension (Bright Yellow Part) to match those requirement, (straight forward and effective). As for correcting the axle angle I calculated that loss and adjusted it at the extension, plus added a little.

The Eibach has a proven reputation, is highly consistent and keeping the overall length matched to the travel required for the shock eliminates side loading and spring bang on the shock body.

Please take a moment to check out the Bilstein site, it gives great insight to why their shocks work so well.
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Re: Bilstein

After having Bilstiens head tech tune my car for the whole weekend i learned a lot about there shocks. They are built better and in my opinion they are a night and day difference in performance and ride. They kill the Kings that were on my buggy and on my rhino they were the best handling shock in a SxS I have ever had. I have had foxes, elka elites , walker evans and so on. When you get the 4 seater worked out let me know I will buy a set.
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any additional videos of these shocks in the bumpy stuff?
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Quote: Originally Posted by bobmono View Post
any additional videos of these shocks in the bumpy stuff?
Sorry no. Chopped the video down to make it short and sweet. If your not familiar with Barstow, it is used by many top race teams to test and prove their equipment. The reason is that it has some of the most brutal terrain that the So. Cal desert has to offer. So a quick overview of the video is the best I can do.
At the beginning I am running slow through standard sized hoops made by quads and buggies 1 to 2 footers. and what I was attempting to show was that the Bilstein could transition from that slower speed to all out attack mode with ease with no bucking or bouncing. When you see me in the car, those would be considered large roller hoops made by full sized vehicles with much more travel than the RZR has, 8 to 10 inches deep with 3 to 5 foot spacing. Front end stays up and aggressive and the rear sucks it all up. Then finally I go through the nastiest, big rutted out hoops I could find, made typically again by desert cars and trucks that have a longer wheel base and much more overall travel. So basically I was in a section that I had no right to be in in our little RZR. Yes I did have to slow down and time them, but what I was trying to demonstrate was that even in these conditions the overall stroke of the shock was smooth and consistent, And the tires never lost contact with the ground, and it did not buck.
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