I guess anyone can say anything at anytime and really not know what they are saying or meaning. You guys that are responding to male hormones. Have either one of you had a stock roll cage tested? At what point do they collapse or not collapse? Will they hold a 1000 lbs RZR in a roll over? Not just words, proof. Should they not be provided by the manufacture? Words are easy but proof is in the pudding. Come on guys put up or shut up